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Thank you Sean from oday sailboats on Facebook.
It's a long vid, the young man doing the narration is really good too! Enjoy! It gives me hope in the younger generation.
 

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yeah. i love that film. i mentioned it in the future of sailing thread. thought it was four, though; one guy and three girls.
 

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Repost, but still a good video. Plus, where's Donna? She was going to make a Direct Deposit manual.
 

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I was seriously hoping it wasn't this old fake, anarchist story again. I really wished it was a group of responsible kids this time. Stealing, breaking and entering, crapping over the lifelines, etc. Not to mention that they purport to have zero money, but have a $500 epirb bolted to the bulkhead below.

This story is a complete scam and very poor example for our kids. BTW, the young man doing the narration is a very successful computer hacker whose become a consultant.
 
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I was seriously hoping it wasn't this old fake, anarchist story again. I really wished it was a group of responsible kids this time. Stealing, breaking and entering, crapping over the lifelines, etc. Not to mention that they purport to have zero money, but have a $500 epirb bolted to the bulkhead below.

This story is a complete scam and very poor example for our kids. BTW, the young man doing the narration is a very successful computer hacker whose become a consultant.
They have a new diesel too.

Moxie's company was recently acquired by Twitter (well "recently"), he's not exactly broke. I don't think the others are either. He is a known figure in the computer security world and has been for a while, he isn't exactly needing for money.
 

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I took it at face value. enjoyed it completely yes, I saw the new diesel. They were young adults. and what of us did not do some of the same things when we were younger? Going off on a lark.. kinda of like the retired old guys out of shape, broke, clueless on how to sail or handle a boat.. go off on the "dream" and are rescused 4 days out to "sea" I'm sure it wasn't all "real" but still it was a good fun vid to watch.
 

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yeah. as far as responsible kids, I think that's the issue here. 'responsible' kids work hard in school. they often have jobs in high school and save to buy cars and to help with college. they go to college and work hard to get good grades. then, when they graduate, they hit the ground running and do everything they can to get good employment. they save their money and, after meeting and marrying other responsible people, they buy a house. then they have kids, being responsible and passing on their genes. they raise these kids as responsibly as they can. then; once they are older and their kids have grown, moved away from home, and started their own responsible lives; they have time for themselves and they start doing things like cruising or RVing.

that's what you generally see, now, right? older people breaking out and cruising, enjoying the remainder of their lives after they fulfill their responsibilities?

isn't that the whole issue, in the thread on the future of sailing? young people aren't just gallivanting off to sail to foreign shores and it's usually only older people you see cruising?

that's your answer. the kids are being responsible. then, when people see kids that do just say screw it all and set sail, they want to complain because they are not being responsible. catch 22.

responsible people don't work their butts off to get degrees then blow any money they save to go cruising, returning to home years later with no money, no jobs, and no prospects. the baby boomers didn't do what was responsible when they packed their stuff up and sailed away or drove away in the old VW bus. they ran away from college and just went out an partied. their was rampant drug use, loose meaningless sex, and not a lot of responsibility being demonstrated. they were lucky. when they returned to normal life, they returned to a world on the rise, with lots of opportunity. new businesses and technologies. ground floors to wealth. and most of the kids who did that came from well to do families. they weren't working their ways through college. daddy was paying their tuition. the jungles of Vietnam were full of poor, working class kids that didn't have college as a shelter when the draft came.

we don't live in that world. we live in a world where 'responsible' kids, with degrees and good grades, are stuck working in restaurants and retail and other poorly paying jobs, or even unemployed. so, if modern kids took a break from reality, instead of starting the race immediately, they wouldn't be coming home to anything but a dead job market and a hard struggle, with their life goals several years behind schedule.

you just can't have it both ways. you can't have 'responsible' kids tossing caution and a life time preparing to run the race to the four winds and heading out over the ocean.

as far as the reality of their show. I agree, there are some issues. new motor. $1000 bucks for an old boat without even a mast or sails is not cheap. you may ( easily )be able to pilfer enough building supplies from construction site dumpsters to fix the boat ( terrible waste on construction sites ) but you aren't going to find masts and sails and bottom paint just laying around.

on the other hand, if he was a hacker ( and had money from his computer ' work ' ) that would explain their ability to afford the stuff that doesn't fit their poverty. and it would be responsible.

one youtube commented on their 'stealing'. the assumption being they really stole from people. however, you can easily get a lot of prime building material from construction site dumpsters. it's stuff that's in the garbage but it's still considered stealing. he never said where they pilfered it from. it's also not hurting anyone. in fact, it saves the contracting company money. it costs to have a dumpster hauled. if someone removes trash from the dumpster, it needs hauled less often. but it's still sailing.

just a few thoughts to ponder.
 

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I'll agree with a summary of Capt. Jack's rant:

It's a different world out there now, than it was.
Much like "All is Lost", there are some glaring inconsistencies in the video, but it's an enjoyable and somewhat inspiring tale nonetheless.
 

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Great video, I wish I had been more adventurous when I was younger! I'm too busy living the "American Dream" to go on an adventure like that now... I find it amusing that we are bashing them for being irresponsible, while complaining that they spent a good portion of their money on a rebuilt inboard and an EPIRB... At least these "irresponsible" young people made it without having to be rescued by the CG.
 

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How many of us, now that we are older, wish we had done more stuff like this when we were younger? [holding my hand up]

More power to them. If I ran into them cruising, I would help them any way I could.
 

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The video was entertaining. Not because it was reality TV like were use to, or because all the facts check out, but because it was a group of friends going on an adventure. I wish I had been exposed to sailing when I was young and dumb following the Grateful Dead. That could have been me. Talking 3 girls into setting out into the unknown sounds like fun to me. If you have a moral problem with them then I think your just jealous that you didn't do something like this. Instead you killed yourself in school and found a job that will support your lifestyle. I bet your boat is a lot nicer than theirs also. At least they weren't waiting in their subsidized housing for their government entitlement check to come so they can call their friends on their Obama phone to go buy stuff with your money.
 

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I'll bet these guys were subsidized by their families. Squatting, stealing, trespassing - now that's what I call role models. It's certainly not what I will expect of my grandkids.

How would you feel if they pulled up alongside your boat and used your mast to step theirs while they knew you were not around? Then just go ahead and move onboard for awhile since your boat is just sitting there empty. I know that in my marina, nobody steps onto someone else's boat without permission unless that boat is in trouble.

Sorry to be so grumpy but I've know lots of young people to have lots of adventures without crossing the lines that these people do.
 

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I'll bet these guys were subsidized by their families. Squatting, stealing, trespassing - now that's what I call role models. It's certainly not what I will expect of my grandkids.

How would you feel if they pulled up alongside your boat and used your mast to step theirs while they knew you were not around? Then just go ahead and move onboard for awhile since your boat is just sitting there empty. I know that in my marina, nobody steps onto someone else's boat without permission unless that boat is in trouble.

Sorry to be so grumpy but I've know lots of young people to have lots of adventures without crossing the lines that these people do.
i totally see that point. you'd expect your kids to be responsible contributing members of society. but such people do not just drop out of the game and blow all of any savings they may have on an adventure. they do their duty to society and cruise when they are older, have money, and are done doing what they are 'supposed' to do. only rich kids can afford to buy a boat, cruise the ocean, and come back with funds to live with. sad but true. why is it you see older people owning fast sports cars instead of adventurous young people? because they can afford it without resorting to grand theft auto.

stories like this are great fin to hear but most of us wouldn't live that way. we are too responsible. i was once entertained, at a local motorcycle friendly establishment ( read: biker bar ) by an old guy who was a retired member of a local 1% club. he regailed my brother and i with his, mostly illegal, adventures as a prospect and, later, a full member. it was fun to hear. but, when he said he'd come out of retirement just to be able to prospect me ( i guess i fit the 1%er bill ), i respectfully declined. i may be a wildman on a chopper but i'm no criminal...outside of some excessive speeds and stunts. plus, 1%ers steal bikes. my dad raised me right. you don't mess with another man's bike. it's more sacred than his wife...not that i would have ever messed with another man's wife ;)

same with this video; great fun to watch, but i wouldn't do all the things they did. my morality wouldn't stand for it. i don't mind them pilfering from construction site dumpsters, assuming that's where the stolen material came from since it's much safer and just as lucrative as stealing from the actual materials piles. but, i do take exception with messing with another man's boat. however, in their defence, it was a 'responsible' adult, from normal professional society, that suggested it and helped them do it. on their own, it might not have occurred to them.
 

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Responsibility is not about your education, job, house with white picket fence or whatever, nor were these suggested. It is entirely about not stealing, using or willfully damaging other peoples' things without their permission. The dumpster recovery theory is clever subterfuge, but clearly not the image they were going for.

I'm impressed by young kids who adventure while they can. There is a right way and a wrong way in society. Respect for others is a minimum.
 

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Perhaps some people are way over thinking this. The guy took a camera along, shot some video, and turned it into a pretty entertaining movie. I think the point of the film is to get out there and do it. If he mis-represents their "poverty", so what. They didn't hurt anyone, or vandalize anything, or "steal" anything of value. There are a lot of A-holes out there cruising, these guys aint them.
 

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....They didn't hurt anyone, or vandalize anything, or "steal" anything of value. ......
I'm not going to make a mission of my point, but these observations are just simply in contrast to the video. The stinkpotter who lost a deck hoist feels differently, I'm sure.
 

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When you take something that does not belong to you without asking the owner, it is stealing. Many people do it, and they are not necessarily bad people, but it's still wrong.
 

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I'm not going to make a mission of my point, but these observations are just simply in contrast to the video. The stinkpotter who lost a deck hoist feels differently, I'm sure.
yeah. i felt bad for that guy. however, haven't you ever done anything stupid or sketchy any time in your life? something you might not be proud of? if you weren't a prefect saint, did the sketchy stuff that you did make you a total butthole or just a young person that did something that was less than kosher?

i know that some people like to pretend they were absolute angels but there are three kinds of peoplr in the world; those who have done wrong things, those that will do wrong things, and those that lie about it.

maybe the wrong things you did were different than stealing a little lumber or damaging someone's property while using it without their pemission. maybe you smoked dope. maybe you ran contraband. maybe you drank a few with your friends and then drove home. but, if you aren't a perfect saint, you can't narc on someo ne else because they aren't, either.

i'm not saying it's right to have used that guy's boat, even if it hadn't been damaged. but, i'm saying many of us have done dumber stuff when we are young. i'm withholding judgement about the stolen material since i don't know te full story behind that.

but i do think the point is getting lost in the moralizing. ok. they did wrong. give them 10 lashes and let's move on. the point is they took risks, committed themselves to an adventure, lived it, and made a pretty cool movie with some deep thoughts involved.

heck, i had an issue about his slap at capitalism but you don't hear me beating him up for it. a lot of young people oppose the status quo blindly, without undestanding, by opposing capitalism or even democracy. they often grow up and out of it.
 

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yeah. i felt bad for that guy. however, haven't you ever done anything stupid or sketchy any time in your life? something you might not be proud of?.....
Of course. Everyone has.

The huge difference is that I knew it was wrong and did not broadcast it to everyone to show it off, which would have encouraged others. In fact, you did just about everything you could to keep it a secret.

I couldn't care less about these actors, its the message and example they set that I object to. I love the adventure on a shoestring, I object to the abuse of others rights in the process.
 
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