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Boats Too Costly to Keep Are Littering Coastlines
By DAVID STREITFELD

MOUNT PLEASANT, S.C. — Boat owners are abandoning ship.

They often sandpaper over the names and file off the registry numbers, doing their best to render the boats, and themselves, untraceable. Then they casually ditch the vessels in the middle of busy harbors, beach them at low tide on the banks of creeks or occasionally scuttle them outright.

The bad economy is creating a flotilla of forsaken boats. While there is no national census of abandoned boats, officials in coastal states are worried the problem will only grow worse as unemployment and financial stress continue to rise. Several states are even drafting laws against derelicts and say they are aggressively starting to pursue delinquent owners.

“Our waters have become dumping grounds,” said Maj. Paul R. Ouellette of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. “It’s got to the point where something has to be done.”

Derelict boats are environmental and navigational hazards, leaking toxins and posing obstacles for other craft, especially at night. Thieves plunder them for scrap metal. In a storm, these runabouts and sailboats, cruisers and houseboats can break free or break up, causing havoc.

Some of those disposing of their boats are in the same bind as overstretched homeowners: they face steep payments on an asset that is diminishing in value and decide not to continue. They either default on the debt or take bolder measures.

Marina and maritime officials around the country say they believe, however, that most of the abandoned vessels cluttering their waters are fully paid for. They are expensive-to-maintain toys that have lost their appeal.

The owners cannot sell them, because the secondhand market is overwhelmed. They cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars a month mooring and maintaining them. And they do not have the thousands of dollars required to properly dispose of them.

When Brian A. Lewis of Seattle tried to sell his boat, Jubilee, no one would pay his asking price of $28,500. Mr. Lewis told the police that maintaining the boat caused “extreme anxiety,” which led him to him drill a two-inch hole in Jubilee’s hull last March.

The boat sank in Puget Sound, and Mr. Lewis told his insurance company it was an accident. His scheme came undone when the state, seeking to prevent environmental damage, raised Jubilee. Mr. Lewis pleaded guilty last week to insurance fraud.

While there are no reliable national statistics on boating fraud, Todd Schwede, an insurance investigator in San Diego, said the number of suspicious cases he was handling had roughly tripled in the last year, to around 70.

In many cases, he said, the boater is following this logic: “I am overinsured on this boat. If I make it go away so no one will find it, the insurance company will give me enough to cover the debt and I’ll make something on the deal as well.”

Lt. David Dipre, who coordinates Florida’s derelict vessel program, said the handful of owners he had managed to track down were guilty more of negligence than fraud. “They say, ‘I had a dream of sailing around the world, I just never got around to it.’ Then they have some bad times and they leave it to someone else to clean up the mess,” Lieutenant Dipre said.

Florida officials say they are moving more aggressively to track down owners and are also starting to unclog the local inlets, harbors, swamps and rivers. The state appropriated funds to remove 118 derelicts this summer, up from only a handful last year.

In South Carolina, four government investigators started canvassing the state’s waterways in January. They quickly identified 150 likely derelicts.

“There are a lot more than we thought there would be,” said Lt. Robert McCullough of the state Department of Natural Resources. “There were a few boats that have always been there, and now all of a sudden they’ve added up and added up.”

In January, it became illegal in South Carolina to abandon a boat on a public waterway. Violators can be fined $5,000 and jailed for 30 days.

“We never needed a law before,” said Gary Santos, a Mount Pleasant councilman.

Not that having one is necessarily proving much of a deterrent. Mr. Santos took a spin on a friend’s motorboat the other day and saw a newly abandoned catamaran within seconds of leaving the dock.

It had been run aground at an awkward angle, a weathered “for sale” sign testament to the owner’s inability to get rid of it. Local watermen said the boat had abruptly appeared one day in February, and had not been touched in weeks.

“Boats are luxuries,” Mr. Santos said. “This isn’t a good moment for luxuries.”

South Carolina’s unemployment rate in February was 11 percent, the second-highest in the nation after Michigan. The online classified ad service Craigslist in Charleston, S.C., features dozens of boats for sale every day. “Wife’s employer is downsizing and we are forced to do the same,” read one post.

Mr. Santos, 50, grew up in this well-to-do community on the northern side of Charleston harbor. In his youth, he never saw an abandoned boat. As recently as a decade ago, they were no more than an occasional nuisance.

Now they are proliferating. Crab Bank, a protected bird rookery in the harbor within sight of Fort Sumter, is home to a dozen derelicts — two sunken, two beached, the other eight still afloat. They range from houseboats to a two-masted sailboat.

State officers have placed placards on each, warning that the vessels have been identified as abandoned. Thanks to a local ordinance sponsored by Mr. Santos, the Mount Pleasant police are also tagging the vessels. After 45 days, they will be removed and junked.

California is taking a more benign approach, with plans in the Legislature for a boater bailout of sorts. Under a law proposed by State Representative Ted Lieu, owners of marginally seaworthy vessels would be encouraged to surrender them to the state. If they abandoned the boat, the bill would double the fine to $1,000.

The legislature passed the bill last year, but Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger returned it and many others unsigned during the state’s long struggle to settle on a budget. The measure has been reintroduced this year, and unanimously passed the assembly’s transportation committee last week and could become law as early as this summer.

Kevin Ketchum, general manager of California Yacht Marina, which operates six marinas in the state, predicted that the law “is going to be phenomenally popular. It will help honorable people who want to do the right thing but can’t afford it.”

The cost of the disposals would be paid by existing fees on boat owners. Mr. Lieu said that “in a perfect world” the fear of punishment would be enough to get people to stop abandoning boats.

“But to actually enforce that would take way more governmental resources than we have,” he said.
 

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why cant somebody give me a decent boat in the 34 foot range, instead of ditching it. i wonder how many of these baots are even worth fixing, before they are dumped ?
 

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That is the difference. I find a house a luxury, and the boat a necessity. I could never walk away from my boat. Without a second thought I could walk away from the house.

Daniel there will be distress sales for a couple of years to come. You can buy a boat for much less than it's true value. You have to walk the docks. Look for FOR SALE signs that are worn, and tattered. Ask questions in marinas. The boat will not find you. You will have to actively search for it.

Just as the thread is titled TIMES ARE TOUGH IN AMERICA, and one man's loss can be another man's gain.......i2f
 

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I'd agree with I2F... walk the docks.. you have to look for the real gems. The ones the brokers usually have aren't going to be gems... some might be worth looking at, but the real bargains are usually found walking the docks.
 

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Where can I find one?

Does anybody know how i could find one? Does S.C. or FL. have a website established?
 

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I'd agree with I2F... walk the docks.. you have to look for the real gems. The ones the brokers usually have aren't going to be gems... some might be worth looking at, but the real bargains are usually found walking the docks.
I would love to walk the docks at all the marinas, but they won't let me in. The problem is, that without a boat, you are ususlly prevented from walking the docks! :confused: Most marinas have gates or other ways of keeping non boat owners from access.

On the flip side, if I did have a boat in a marina, I can't say that I would want strangers walking my dock either...
 

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If you become friends with a single boat owner at a given marina, you can usually get entrance.. :) Many marinas have an attached brokerage operation, and they might also be able to give you entrance.
 

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I would love to walk the docks at all the marinas, but they won't let me in. The problem is, that without a boat, you are ususlly prevented from walking the docks! :confused: Most marinas have gates or other ways of keeping non boat owners from access.

On the flip side, if I did have a boat in a marina, I can't say that I would want strangers walking my dock either...
Get some bincoulars.....i2f
 

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Our marina is starting to show sign of the times; about 20-25% of our slips are vacant and have been for awhile, it's an odd feeling looking across the marina and having a unobstructive view of the entry gate.

Mickelson Yachts had a ongoing lease on a dozen or more slips; that lease wasn't renewed and they pulled their boats out. The marina manager said he's losing a lot of big boats to Repo and/or newer cheaper marinas which are half empty also.

Last week I was at the Fish Market and over heard two brokers, one crying over sales and how full their docks were, the other was talking on how full the repo docks were.

I count my blessings every day.
 

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Just go to the Harbormaster and ask if you can walk the docks. Be upfront and say that you are looking to buy a boat and wanted to leave your name/number on one or three of the boats you could see from shore. They might want to go out with you if they are unsure about your poking around; but usually there are "marina boats" that are derelict and owned by the marina via lien sale that they would want to show you in addition.

Every month Berkeley Marina drags a dozen boats over to San Rafael to be chopped up; which makes me wonder if they were ever offered to local youth sailing programs or if due to condition they just could not go anywhere other than to the wrecking yard.
 

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I just bought an 86 Starwind 223 in Peirson FL today for $500. Found it on Daytona Craigslist, there are quite a few really cheap boats on there. Came with a trailer, 7 sails, a solar panel, fish finder, 2 bilge pumps, new mast. My wife seems to think I got ripped off, but I think she doesn't know anything about boats.
 

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My wife seems to think I got ripped off, but I think she doesn't know anything about boats.

She doesn't read this forum does she??????:laugher :eek: ????????.....i2f
 
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