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Good morning Sailneters

Well we are torn between two boats that we are looking at. So I ‘m looking for some general thoughts and comments. Unleash the dogs I can take it you guys can be ruthless!!! We are doing coastal cruising , LIS and new England area. Future axpand to east coast and ?.
Boat #1: ’81 Catalina 30 standard rig, rebuilt in ’97 atomic 4 ( I’m familiar with engine.since I have one in present boat) work done at Old Lyme marina, Ct. , min. electronics vhf, depth, knot, stereo , wheel w/ auto helm, emerg. tiller , cabin top traveler, h/c preasure water, 2 – 20gal water tanks ( one leaks – easy access) 20 gal. fuel, lp stove/ oven, sails excellent condtion – main part.bat. one reef, 150 roller, the unit is and older Furlex or harkin continuous loop furler, a-sem w/ sock, new interior cushions. One big draw back for the wife and I is the MINNAMUL storage. Asking price low teens. Would be an easy move up from our 28 newport and could start sailing right away. What can I say it’s a 30’ Catalina. It’s newer and bigger.
Boat #2: ’73 Ericson 35 MKII, bran new Mitsubishi 25hp diesel 3hrs runnig time, hull completely stripped 5 coats barrier coat, and new awal grip to top of gunwales, min. electronics- vhf, gps, depth, knot, wheel, emerg. Tiller, aft traveler, sails (from written report fair condition), 2- mains part. Bat., 150 hanked (not suited for roller furler), 110 hanked ( could be cut for furler) storm, has a scheefer furller never used., mast- all wire halyards appear in good cond. , standing rig ss wire, appear in good cond. , mast rewired 03, interior all new cushions and bright work, alchol stove / oven, new tankage 40 water, 14 waste, H/C preasure water, lot of storage, wife happy with that,top side needs some work on deck and coach top, has typ. Glecoat hairline cracks for that age, didn’t find any soft spots on deck but owner seys there are a couple small areas on the coach top that are soft. Asking price high 20’s. This has classic lines, very sexy. When all cleaned up it will say WOW! A little more than we wanted to spend but.
I know I need to have a survey/ sea trial done.

Alright have at it, I’m at the mast for my whipping.:confused:

Peter
 

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If you can afford the Ericson 35... get it... This is likely to prevent you from having three-foot-itis again anytime soon and Ericson built a pretty nice boat in their day. :) Don't forget to read my Boat Inspection Trip Tips thread I started, as it will help you determine whether the boat is worth looking into further. :)

Good luck...
 

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Thanks Mimsy and Dog

Dog - Yes I have read your list very helpfull going back one day this wk to pour thur with fine tooth comb. makin a list and checkin it twice.

Mimsy - Yes she is!!!!

Peter
 

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For anything close to even money, the Ericson wins hands down. However, we could be talking about a price difference of around $15k. The roller furling, rebuilt A4, excellent sails and general popularity of the C30 are all pluses.

The Ericson is bigger, and maybe built a bit better. However, she's also probably twice the price and 8 years older with known soft deck spots. The Mitsu diesel is nice, but how easy is it to locate parts and a capable mechanic for a relatively rare marine diesel? Sounds like you'd better budget for new sails, deck work and possible a new furler too. That sounds like a decent chunk of change.

I much prefer Ericsons to Catalinas of similar vintage and price, but you've got to carefully weigh the costs of the older, bigger boat that sounds like it needs more to get her the way you want her.
 

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In general, the Ericson started out life as a better-built boat and a diesel that might be hard to get parts for is better than any gasoline engine.
With that said, go back and sit in the cockpit on on each of them, then go below and flop down on the main salon couches - try to get comfortable, get up and go crawl into the Vee-berth. Then decide which boat you want.
 

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Looks like an Ericson 35 is in your future... :)
 

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johnshasteen - did most of that and I won't be sleeping on the settees on the c30 maybe on the ericson. Ericson also has a usable nav station. You can see the way I'm healing.
Well then, it's the Ericson - good choice! The reason I said see what you thought of the main salon couches is because on a long trip and heeled 15 degrees, you need one salon couch and one side of the Vee berth for sea berths. Never count on the quarter berths - they're always filled with your junk.
 

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The Ericson gets my vote. You will never regret that extra five feet (I love my Morgan 30, but do sometimes wish I had gone bigger) and it is a beautiful boat. It may need more work done, but it will give you more back in the long run.

Go for it.

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I'm going to step in with some cautions here...

Before you commit to the Ericson, check out the price of sails. Sails in "fair" condition mean you're going to need to replace them fairly soon. Get an estimate for the deck repair. I have a feeling you're looking at close to 10K alone for that...

It will cost you much more to maintain the 35 footer than the 30 footer. When things need fixing the cost is significantly greater. There are certainly benefits to having a larger boat, but think about how much time you will actually spend using the boat and determine whether or not the financial stress is worth it.
 

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Follow up ? Torn between two boats

With a brand new engine in the boat what else would I be looking at on a sea trial, that might be a deal breaker? Do you always need or do a sea trial? I would think or hope anything major would show up during the survey.

Thoughts ??

This is more nerve racking than buying a house:confused:

Peter
 

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Yes, you need a sea trial. Would you buy a car without driving it first?

You might not like the way the boat handles or feels while under sail. Does the instrumentation work or is there a piece of equipment that is not ont he boat that you would definitely want? Does all of the running gear work smoothly and easily, or will you have to replace much of it? How easy is it to get the sails up and down. Do all the winches work well under load? How easy is the boat to handle under engine power?

Looking at a boat at the dock and sailing it are two totally different experiences. You want to be certain you like the boat as much under way as you do while at the dock.
 

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Ok had not thought in those terms. I'm assuming those are all things that could either kill the deal or modify it. the boat is 3 -5 mi from the wate, so it needs to be hulled and rigged. Is that my nickle or can i put that on the seller in the offer and then assume some or all if deal is completed. that could be a big nickle if the deal falls thru at that point.

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Since you have to pay for the sea trial, I would expect the seller to make the boat available and ready to sail.

Edited to add: Don't think of it as a "big nickle" if the deal falls through. Think of it as an even "bigger nickel" if you buy a boat that is not fit for purpose!
 

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My two cents....
*Resale value: Both boats will be at their low book values because of their age, but the Ericson has had a lot of work done which may impact a resale potential.
* Sailing ability: If a boat is no fun to sail, why not just settle for a power boat?? Both the Catalina and the Ericson will sail decently with the edge to the Ericson. You will pound less in the Ericson since it has a heavier displacement/length ratio.
* Aesthetics: the edge goes to Ericson, Bruce King drew nice lines on the 35:)
* Livability: Eventhough the Catalina is large for a 30-footer, I think you'll have a better situation on the Ericson.

My vote goes for the Ericson! Don't worry about the Mitsubishi engine, this is a common tractor engine that you can find parts for almost anywhere.
 

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With a brand new engine in the boat what else would I be looking at on a sea trial, that might be a deal breaker? Do you always need or do a sea trial? I would think or hope anything major would show up during the survey.

Thoughts ??

This is more nerve racking than buying a house:confused:

Peter
Someone selling a boat with an engine with three hours on it?...be sure to have an engine survey done...in addition to a sea trial.

If you were looking at 30' boats in the mid teens and somehow have decided a 35" in the high 20s fits too, then you should look around at what else you can get int he high 20s before you decide this Ericson is just right. I would especially caution you aboput the deck spots - if you go ahead, after the survey scopes out the deck problem, get two written estimates for professional repair, average them, then double the result so you have a ballpark to work with in deciding whether to close the deal. Allow at least a month in the P&S for this process. The issue to me with deck repairs is they can raise the risk that you need to completely paint the deck to properly hide the repair, witht he result that a professional repair could easily cost 50% of your purchase price. HNot to say don't proceed, just proceed with your eyes wide open, and with the understanding you may have to walk away from your survey costs.
 

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When I first read the title of this thread, I thought it was about somebody who had their hands tied to one boat, and their feet to another, and then the two boats motored apart at full throttle. I'm happy to learn that I was mistaken!
 
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