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Dear Mr. S. Dog,
Thank you for your guidance, I assure you that will never happen again.
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This list stinks. Four manufacturers that have boats in the A catagory CE certification are Catalina Yachts, Beneteau Yachts, Hunter Yachts and Jeanneau Yachts. All build well and have more miles sailing around the world than any boat listed
 

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Catalina, Beneteau, Hunter and Jeanneau may have Category A EU RCD certifications, but that doesn't necessarily indicate that their boats are suitable for extended bluewater voyaging. Many of their boats which are EU RCD A certified are not suitable due to a serious lack of proper handholds, unseakindly motion, lack of tankage and stowage, etc.

From reading some of Blanding's other posts, he's whining about it because he owns a Catalina 42 that was left off the list. :)
 

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Blanding... while there are a few models that might be considered Ocean Capable... the brands are not built for extended ocean cruising by their mfrs. and most have significant shortcomings. Our other moderator CD owns a Cat400 and is tech editor for the magazine and agrees with this. The Mahina guy has a few hundred thousand miles of blue water under his belt so any boat on his list is blue water capable for extended cruising. I don't agree with his leaving off my boat either...but I respect his overall knowledge and there is a reason entire brands have been left off his list and every other list of blue water boats. Exactly what are YOUR credentials that you can challenge his judgment on 3 major brands?
BTW...having owned two...I am no Catalina basher. They are great values for the $$ for what most sailors do with their boats. But I'd take my 20 year old Tayana to sea over any brand new Cat any day of the week. On the Chesapeake...I'd take the new Cat.
 

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Sailingdog,

Sorry, I don't own a Catalina 42. I have been involved in manufacturing of Catalina, Beneteau, Jeanneau & Hunter and I know as a fact that if you need to add stowage, tank etc, it can be done.

If you called the owner of Catalina, he will say that his Catalina 42 can sail around the world but he will worry about the person at the wheel more than the boat.

Quit you whinning. you just upset that you paid too much money for a boat that has the same building techniques as Catalina etc.
 

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Welcome GreenEgg! I don't know enough about them to make a judgement but they look like solid boats. Would expect that storage and tankage for distance cruising would be an issue with the pinched ends and narrow beam but hat's what makes her look pretty too!
 

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Another boat which makes an excellent cruiser with a turn of speed (Same genre as a Valiant, only older & cheaper) is a Gulfstar. Generally a performance cruiser underbody (cruising fin design) but built heavy. Excellent upwind performance, a bit squirrley going down.

They also made a shoal draft long keel. One of that design, a 50' (s/v "Talion") just won the March Banderas Bay Regatta, passing many of the boats in faster classes, including multi hulls.

They are very solid, with more teak than some like, occasional blister problems, conservative rig and sail area. But surprisingly fast! A very good cruiser which will handle heavy weather (bow to the sea) is comfortable, dryer than most and will allow you to outsail the average storm.
 

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Blanding... while there are a few models that might be considered Ocean Capable... the brands are not built for extended ocean cruising by their mfrs. and most have significant shortcomings. Our other moderator CD owns a Cat400 and is tech editor for the magazine and agrees with this. The Mahina guy has a few hundred thousand miles of blue water under his belt so any boat on his list is blue water capable for extended cruising. I don't agree with his leaving off my boat either...but I respect his overall knowledge and there is a reason entire brands have been left off his list and every other list of blue water boats. Exactly what are YOUR credentials that you can challenge his judgment on 3 major brands?
BTW...having owned two...I am no Catalina basher. They are great values for the $$ for what most sailors do with their boats. But I'd take my 20 year old Tayana to sea over any brand new Cat any day of the week. On the Chesapeake...I'd take the new Cat.
Boy, how did I miss this post??? Oh well.

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Hughes 38

I think the Hughes 38 should be on the list, I have to admit I'm a little biased since I've got one. But I was planning to start my circumnavigation in it, till I found the great deal on my custom built 45 steel ketch. It's certainly a blue water boat in my opinion, they have circumnavigated, many are crossing oceans all the time.
 

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Everyone has their own needs of course, but we used John's consulting service and it was very useful for us--like having a private bluewater boat expert tutor us during the looking and buying process*.

Also...for those thinking about a bluewater boat, he has several very well written generic posts about what to look for and how to decide on what is right for you. He also runs a reasonably priced personal consulting service for individuals who need ideas and specific advice and certainly has the credentials to offer such advice. Read more here:
Mahina Expedition - Offshore Cruising Instruction
Of course I think the list is fantastic because our boat is on it ;) --of course it is no surprise that we were steered toward a boat on this list given that we worked with its author!

*Although he seems like a nice guy I am neither friends with him directly nor do I benefit financially in any way.
 

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Wauquiez Amphitrite

We are considering buying a Wauquiez Amphitrite. We would appreciate any information on this boat that anyone could send us.

Bruce & Mary
 

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grampian classic

I've been eying a beat up old Grampian classic 31, which from my inexperienced eyes looks like a superb offshore cruiser for its size. Was it neglected from the list for a reason, or is it there under another name or just forgotten?
 

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I would like to add following Australian boats to the list, all pre 1984:

Swanson 28 We lost one 1/2 way through a circumnavigation when Katrina hit your shores.

Swanson 38 the pick of the bunch, huge interior volume.

Swanson 42 a little too fat and heavy.

All canoe sterns, full keel with cut away forefoot. To give you an idea, my 28comes in at 5 tonnes [as per last time on the travel lift, all cruising gear (slabs of beer) inside], has 600 litres water and 200 litres fuel capacity running a Bukh 20, with heaps of storage with a good turn of speed. A very comfortable and dry little cruiser.

Cheers.
 
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