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Good evening, my husband and I sail a 23 O'day and really want to learn/feel how it is to sail on a "bigger" boat. We are out of the Barnaget Bay in NJ. If there is someone willing to take us out and teach us the ropes please let me know. My husband is Certified by the ASA but we just don't want to pay for more formal classes. Thank you in advanced for anyone offering to take us out.
 

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Any local yacht clubs/marinas nearby that have 'casual' racing programs? Often boats are shorthanded and new crew is usually welcome. If you're already sailors you're going to be ahead of the curve.

Often you might get on a variety of boats, always a good thing to have under your belt when you're shopping for 'the next one'.

And you'll learn more about sailtrim and boat/sailhandling techniques that will help you even when cruising your own boat in the future.
 

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Good evening, my husband and I sail a 23 O'day and really want to learn/feel how it is to sail on a "bigger" boat. We are out of the Barnaget Bay in NJ. If there is someone willing to take us out and teach us the ropes please let me know. My husband is Certified by the ASA but we just don't want to pay for more formal classes. Thank you in advanced for anyone offering to take us out.
Take Hugo up on his offer he's a great guy and sails in a nice area. You'll learn about anchoring, tides and currents with him

Also contact Chip and Jen on Fortuitous. The have a 30 Catalina on Barnegat Bay and started with a 23 there. I rafted up with them last summer and they have become good sailors with many stories.
 

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Weather permitting, I have a full boat this Saturday. Sunday may be available.

Next weekend (11th, 12th ) I'll be away. The 18th./19th is wide open at this point. I'm north on Raritan Bay, Feel Free to PM me. I have Thursdays and Fridays off too..and typically have the bay to myself. It's always nice to have sailors aboard, or eager learners.
 

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You are welcome to come see and take my boat out in the next few weeks Heather. She's an Oday30 not coming out of the water until the end of the month October or early Nov.
 

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Good evening, my husband and I sail a 23 O'day and really want to learn/feel how it is to sail on a "bigger" boat. We are out of the Barnaget Bay in NJ. If there is someone willing to take us out and teach us the ropes please let me know. My husband is Certified by the ASA but we just don't want to pay for more formal classes. Thank you in advanced for anyone offering to take us out.
Heather, send me a PM where you are on the Bay. I may be able to hook you up with someone in the Forked River area.

Unfortunately we're not getting in much sailing ourselves because of work... :(
 

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Good evening, my husband and I sail a 23 O'day and really want to learn/feel how it is to sail on a "bigger" boat. We are out of the Barnaget Bay in NJ. If there is someone willing to take us out and teach us the ropes please let me know. My husband is Certified by the ASA but we just don't want to pay for more formal classes. Thank you in advanced for anyone offering to take us out.
Why would you feel you need more "formal training" for a bigger boat. I've never even been on a boat less than 33' and always wonder why people are so afraid of a 40' boat.
 

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Why would you feel you need more "formal training" for a bigger boat. I've never even been on a boat less than 33' and always wonder why people are so afraid of a 40' boat.
I agree. I don't think it is a matter of formal training as much as just getting experience.

The biggest issue I've seen with smaller boat sailors moving up is their being surprised by the forces on the larger boats and this sometimes highlights improper habits which they get away with on the smaller boat.
 

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I know what you mean about just "feeling" what it is like on a bigger boat. I'd like to get out on a boat bigger than my 25 to see what the difference is. And I have dock mates with 28, 30 and 32 foot boats who will take us out. Problem is, I'm afraid I would like a bigger boat too much and no longer be happy with my 25. The 25 appears to be just the right size for us and sailing on the south end of the BB. The systems are simple and costs are reasonable.
If you want to try a 25 and come to Barnegat, your welcome to join us for a sail. We're hoping for two more weekends of sailing before we haul for the winter.
 

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The biggest issue I've seen with smaller boat sailors moving up is their being surprised by the forces on the larger boats and this sometimes highlights improper habits which they get away with on the smaller boat.
This is the exact opposite of my experience.

I sailed a Catalina 22 for 5 years on Barnegat Bay in every kind of weather, up to winds of 35kts. On a small boat, everything happens quickly, and any "improper habits" are immediately punished, harshly. You only take so much water over the coaming before you start to learn how to use all of your sail controls, anticipate the gusts, sail conservatively when necessary, and keep the stick pointing up. Likewise, listening to the outboard was so annoying that we'd often sail in light wind when everyone else was giving up and running their engines. I'm not sure we got away with much.

We recently moved up to a 27 footer, and in almost every way, it's easier to sail. It tracks better, things happen more slowly, and it's far more forgiving. We don't get thrown on our ear or get stopped in our tracks from every stupid powerboat boat wake. We can move to the leeward side of the cockpit to handle a winch without radically changing our heeling angle from lack of ballast. I feel like there's a wider tolerance for how we have the sails trimmed (not necessarily for ideal trim, which is equally finicky, but the boat will move in something other than absolute ideal trim). Yeah, the forces are greater, but so is the mechanical advantage, so that's mostly a wash.

The only more difficult things about a larger boat for us are docking and learning a bunch of complicated new systems, like plumbing, an inboard diesel engine, etc. The actual sailing has been amazingly straightforward. We've even been beating some larger boats with more experienced skippers in our club races (on actual time), and I attribute almost all of that to the quality education that we got from from the tribulation of sailing a smaller, lighter, more responsive boat.
 

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Thanks Chip that's what I have been told a few times that a "bigger" boat is more forgiving. We went out in the bay and one gust came and she went from sailing flat to heeling at 35•. We were told that doesn't happen that drastically on a bigger boat than ours. In all honesty we want to buy a 30+ and want to try them out and see what is out there. Our O'Day is our first sail boat so we are still "new" to the sailing market. Thanks for all you said about your experience. Helps us :)
 

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thanks

We are moving out boat down from forked river to a marina in Barnegat. It's closer to our house. If it would be possible to line up a day my hubs and I can come that would be fantastic. Gets hard with the kids back in school and playing sports.
 

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I think, for the most part, sailing a bigger boat is easier. Except for docking.

I took ASA classes on 34' boats last summer and when I did my first charter this May I got a 39' boat. I did OK, but none of my dockings were quite to my satisfaction.

Shortly after that trip I put my new-to-me Catalina 22 in the water and spent all summer sailing a couple times a week.

This fall I again chartered a 39' boat and my docking was perfect! Just right.

My little 22' weighs max 3000 lbs full of soaking wet people and the 39' Beneteau was probably more like 20,000 lbs, so they are obviously very different things to dock, but I really think my summer of practice on the small boat helped out a lot when it came time to bring the big one in.
 
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