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I love sailing and i'd encourage anyone to try it.
However i'm getting increasingly annoyed with fairweather sailors people who generally have no idea about the col-regs and general seamanship this applies mostly to motorboat owners but also sailboats.
Recently a vessel (under sail) was overtaking me (under engine) when the "Skipper" called across, Cant you see i'm sailing to which i replied yes but you're the overtaking vessel so p**s off.
And this is raising a question for me you don't at the moment have to recieve any training before buying a yacht and having a jolly around your nearest water, so should this be changed,Should mandatory training courses be implemented, i personally think so as when the sun comes out so do a load of rich idiots who tend to pose a risk and danger to those who follow the rules and show at least some courtesy to fellow sailors.
 

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David - I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. However, that was probably me in the sailboat - so instead here's a link to a lively conversation that went on regarding this very thing. You ought to buy CrusingDad a few beers and listen to him rant on this one!

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I wish shooting them was allowed...but the USCG and local police frown on that reaction, however justified it may seem at the time. :)
 

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Some people just don't know any better. Others are quick to arrogantly point it out to them. Frankly, this sounds like a combination of both. There are a far greater number of poor automobile drivers who can arguably inflict much more harm so if you really want to focus your anger on a problem, you might pick the bigger one.

I've been sailing for 50 years, served in the USCG, taught vessel safety and have probably seen and heard it all. My humble advice is to find someone on your dock, marina or anchorage you perceive might need some constructive help and give it rather than complain about them here.
 

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Some people just don't know any better. Others are quick to arrogantly point it out to them. Frankly, this sounds like a combination of both. There are a far greater number of poor automobile drivers who can arguably inflict much more harm so if you really want to focus your anger on a problem, you might pick the bigger one.

I've been sailing for 50 years, served in the USCG, taught vessel safety and have probably seen and heard it all. My humble advice is to find someone on your dock, marina or anchorage you perceive might need some constructive help and give it rather than complain about them here.
While generally agreeing with k1's post above, it would be hard not to employ Dog's firearms option if conclusive proof were available of Smacky's presence on the other boat. There's a certain attraction to the image of Smacky's Bullet Flayed Sails, BFS, that is irresistible.

When aggravated afloat it often helps to consider the myriad numbers of shore dwellers who'd swap places with you in a heartbeat. From where they're standing, on the dock, you seem to have life knocked. Try to ignore the inevitable smack and enjoy what you've been blessed with.
 

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The problem with adding courses, regulations and tests is that it may not stop with common sense. AND, it tends to grow over time until it may not be fun anymore. For instance, filing a float plan with a regulatory agency, and paying the $20 float-plan-fee, just to go to the fuel dock. Think that's rediculous? Then know that income tax started at a few percent. People didn't think it would grow to be productivity-discouraging.

Secondly, in order to afford the big boat, chances are the guy has his act together in other areas of his life. While there's no guarantee he'll straighten-up, isn't it really the rare occurance? The a$$es are really in the minority.
 

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There's a certain attraction to the image of Smacky's Bullet Flayed Sails, BFS, that is irresistible.
Haven't we crossed some kind of line here, Sway? Should I hire a security entourage at this point? I think you need to check your knot, dude.

Jeez, I feel like Russell Crowe here.
 

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Mr. Rogerson, when you bought your first boat did you attend a mandatory training course or did you get your training by reading and/or hands on experience ??
 

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On the subject of mandatory training and rules!!!!

mandatory training courses be implemented, i personally think so as when the sun comes out so do a load of rich idiots who tend to pose a risk and danger to those who follow the rules and show at least some courtesy to fellow sailors.
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Can I ask you why you insist on flying the White Ensign in a shore location contrary to Para 9148 of the Queen's Regulations for the Royal Navy.

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Just to add fuel to the fire::p I've seen sail boats with their sails down and under power demand "Right of Way" because they are a sail boob.
Yes there should be training, schooling and testing on the Rules of the Road.
 

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why stop at a boaters license ??
How about a license to reproduce.. although it won't help right now, it'll help in 20-30 years..
and as George Carlin said, take all the warning labels off.. that oughtta get it speeded up >..

PS it would be totally boring if everyone had pressed shirts and there was nothing for you to bit#h about..


PPS kinda cool to overtake someone under power while under sail..
 

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So it WAS Smack after all! Nice.
 

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roflmao.... nice one sway...
While generally agreeing with k1's post above, it would be hard not to employ Dog's firearms option if conclusive proof were available of Smacky's presence on the other boat. There's a certain attraction to the image of Smacky's Bullet Flayed Sails, BFS, that is irresistible.

When aggravated afloat it often helps to consider the myriad numbers of shore dwellers who'd swap places with you in a heartbeat. From where they're standing, on the dock, you seem to have life knocked. Try to ignore the inevitable smack and enjoy what you've been blessed with.
 

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I will answer poopdeck and gtod25 questions 1 i don't own a boat i sail for a living and yes i did have to do a course so that i can work on sailboats, and question 2 thats not my white ensign it's taken from from the naval training school Collingwood so there:cool:
 

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Be careful what you wish for! Whatever the government giveth, the government can taketh away. The next step for the government, after issuing boat operators' licenses, is to decide what infractions should justify suspending or revoking someone's license. Should your license be suspended or revoked for two infractions within three years? If suspended, should you have to buy high-risk insurance in order to have your operator's privileges restored? Should your license be revoked after you reach a certain age, or perhaps because you have a minor heart condition, or because your vision in one eye or your hearing is somewhat impaired, or because you take prescription medications? Licensing has consequences that you might not like. How would you feel about storing your boat on the hard for 6 months or a year, until the government restores your operating privileges, because you uncharacteristically had a couple of infractions, and then having to buy high risk insurance in order to have your privileges restored?

It seems to me that, rather than inviting government to regulate our operating privileges, we would be much better off simply recognizing that there are boaters of all different skill and knowledge levels out there, and exercising caution accordingly. I agree with k1.
 

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Government licensing is a legal scam.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

Drivers licenses included.

There's ENOUGH government regulation - and if you want MORE in your life, I'd invite you to go live in a country that has plenty before you complain about what you have in the US.

(There was another thread on mandatory licensing started by CD earlier on in the year... seems to have died out, because mostly no one wants to see more government regulation.....)
 

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I live in U.K (hence the ensign) but anyway would you be be happy if they let anyone behind the wheel of a car without taking a single lesson it's exactly the same principle, people who don't know what they're doing and generally with too much money are posing a real threat to other vessel owners/ Captains
 

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How this post degraded into another discussion on licensing, government intervention, etc... is not surprising but neither was it the focus of the original post.
We've heard it all before. If you want to start a new discussion on government licensing, go for it.

At it's fundamental level, it serves no purpose complaining about poor operating practices particularly if the person complaining does nothing constructive to help the offending party which can almost always be done in a manner so as to be well received. Simply complaining about it, particularly here, is silly. If you can't find the party or don't know someone who is unfamiliar with proper seamanship, rules, etc., you haven't looked very hard.
 

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I'm sorry next time i wish to complain about sailing issues which affect everyone i shall go to a different forum maybe one for cars. If not here where else and also please don't post on the thread complaining that i'm complaining.

I find this a serious issue if you don't you don't have to get involved
 
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