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I'm saying that this thread is about nothing but opinion. It was started by a guy who made a rather flawed anecdotal observation. ...

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My point was that one can't be so dismissive of one opinion here, just because it doesn't align as well with a particular world view.
These two in the ONE post? LOL

Point taken?

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68 of the 122 boats registered on the 2019 Pacific Puddle Jump to Tahiti are from the USA. A little over half.

Of course it is. It originates in the USA!

Its like wondering why a rally from New Zealand to Australia is full of Kiwi and Aussie boats!

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The other associated point is that West Coast USA people very rarely *sail* to the east coast USA. Its a hell of an uphill bash. But going downwind across the Pacific, though vastly longer, is much easier.

Back to the original thought... Americans have a very difficult time in the EU with the Schengan rules of 3 months in and 3 months out.
As an aussie I get special dispensations from many EU countries to stay much longer (12 months in Denmark, 3 months Netherlands, and 2 months Belgium).
I can assure you that without my countries special agreements I would be stuffed trying to cruise the EU. As are many of my USA friends.

If you want a fixed, firm "opinion" on this try planning a years cruise through the Mediterranean where you dont stop longer than the rules allow and you don't go to a place thats had a serious terrorism episode in the last 2 years.
If you can work that sausage out then post it here because many, many cruisers as stumped as to how to do it!


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BTW For Americans wishing to visit Europe - who are still reading this thread (LOL) -:

Remember the UK allows you 6 months
Jersey and Guernsey (the Chanel Islands ) allow you time too, out of the EU. You can reset your temporary importation after here too.
Gibraltar gives you 6 months (I believer) its neither English nor EU.
Theres a new NON-eu marina in north Morocco, 30nms from Gibraltar where you can reset your EU temporary Import thing.

So the Atlantic coast, EU, UK, is easily achievable.

By the time you have cruised this area a while you will have worked out all the ins and outs.

BTW... Shipping a boat to the UK from the Caribbean from US$9,000 from St Thomas... US$18,000 from Newport RI . Ouch. But Id do the $9k one next time.
 

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These two in the ONE post? LOL

Point taken?

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OK, you got me. Sort of.

What I'm saying is that it's flawed because it's a limited observation. And it seems to me that the evidence to the contrary is more compelling. The title of this thread is "Why American do not crossing oceans?" That title is just wrong, both in grammar and in sentiment. If 68 Americans are crossing the Pacific, at least SOME Americans are crossing oceans.

As for your point from your thread about the effect of the Schengen agreement, that makes sense. it certainly adds to the challenges of world cruising. Too bad the boating industry doesn't carve out some kind of exception for cruisers.
 

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Too bad the boating industry doesn't carve out some kind of exception for cruisers.
I'd love to see the US make it as easy for a Canadian to cruise US waters as it is the other way round but we are just not important enough.
 
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I'd love to see the US make it as easy for a Canadian to cruise US waters as it is the other way round but we are just not important enough.
Well, you can't say the U.S. hasn't made it easy to overstay Visas. Probably doesn't work so well for cruisers, though.
 

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The Pacific Puddle Jump does not have a fixed starting point. Based on counting the "Departing From" Ports, six are leaving from the West Coast of the US. The vast, vast majority of the Puddle Jumpers are leaving from Panama, followed by Mexico, Ecuador,and other Central American ports. A couple of ANZAC boats are coming in from via Bora Bora. When I did it, we departed from Puerto Vallarta.
 

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Note an evolution in many peoples thinking about passages. I like doing the SDR passages. Think it’s a good group of people and the charity/sailing education involvement is a good justification to join and do their passages. Still, several of my friends from that group maintain membership but no longer do passages with them.
Once you do a few passages your mindset shifts. For many all you want from outside sources of support is a good weather router. The rest is fluff. Some are confident enough in their weather skills that even that is felt to not be necessary.
I would suggest from interaction with various American and non American cruisers most would NOT appear on any of the lists mentioned above.
Again this thread is faced with a fundamental problem. Hard numbers on how many ocean cruisers there really are and where is their country of origin. Beyond anecdotal opinion (including my own) the only reasonable survey is from Cornell and that is fraught with difficulties.
 

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Grand Folly just arrived yesterday @ Canary Island after 8 days of Alissios wind one night I get force 4 and 5 wind but the Grand folly did a very good job my next stop will be Cabo Verde Island and the next after that will be Recife Brazil
 

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Grand Folly depart on the 30th from Canary Island to Cabo Verde on the way to Brazil
the only US flag Sailboat in the Canary Island I hold my next trip I can see more US Brothers in here
 

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