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I come from the Mercedes enthusiast community into sailing, and take my service procedures and research methods with me. I'd like to begin by saying that I've found some nice products that I use on our low RPM roller bearing assembly and pawls of sailboat winches. (Barient 22, two speed with self tailing)

If you have a particular selection of lubricant I'd be interested in hearing them, the usual advice for "boat trailer bearing grease" or "3-in-1" doesn't seem complicated enough to me so I researched a few;

I'm using Fuchs Silkolene Pro FG2 as was recommended to me by OpieOils of the UK, over other options I asked about for sailboat winches. It's water resistant bearing grease used for it's low rolling resistance on high speed automobiles, motorcycles, etc..

Pedro's and Phil Woods bicycle grease is also available, but havn't use it.

Swepco 101 is a another fantastic Moly-rich grease with much of the properties above and feels like a buttery cream.

My pawls are doing great with Ardent Reel-Butter fishing reel lubricant, designed for salt environments and light action.
Other light weight oils are Mouse-Milk, used by turbo engine guys to lubricate the pivot point of the wastegate actuator.

If anything is rusty or corroded, I soak it in a mix of water and Esprit Rust Remover over night. Great for spraying down parts assemblies to prevent rust.

Reassembly goes great with a dab of 3M Marine Grade ant-seize on the right threads (If using a torque wrench, remember to always remove 20% of the final torque rating of anything using thread lubricant to account for the additional bolt stretch, but not a concern on winches and hand tools.)

I may seem overboard on my selections, and maybe when I have a wife and kids and a lot less time I'll think different, but I currently order engine and hydraulic fluids in up to 5-gallon containers so I can't imagine how a person could find satisfaction at Walmart or Ace/TrueValue hardware. It's been 8 years since I've stepped foot in an autoparts store for anything but PowerService or oil disposal, and hope to find another forum roamer who has gone the extra distance to find good lubricants. Anybody?
 

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5 gallons is a lot of lube. The yard I work in doesn't buy it those quantities.

For bearings on winches and furlers I use the Lewmar bespoke product in tubes (150 gr?) partly because my winches are all Lewmar and partly because I keep ending up in places where it's being given away. For pawls I use a spray lube like that from 3-in-1 (which is a brand here in the US). No issues. At work we use Synco Super Lube - the grease for bearings and their synthetic spray lubricant for pawls.

The fishing reel lube for pawls is a good idea.

For anti-seize I use the Permatex high-temp product. High-temp isn't an issue on winch fasteners - I carry it for outboard engine spark plugs and prefer to carry as few products as possible.
 

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"good [motor] oil is hard to find"

Really ?!

Stunned by the news. I must be part truffle-snuffling pig, because I've always just walked right up to it on the shelves.
 

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10,476 post?! Did you write one on sliding surfaces and tribology?
Hey newbie, show a little respect!

I agree with hullosailor on this, a lubricant that will do the job is in most cases easy to find. Yup they are right there on the shelf.

On a sailboat there are very very few places where a specialist oil is required, although you did hit on one and it is giving me pause for thought and I may try salt water fishing reel oil on my winch pawls. I too have Barients, my primaries are 32s . It is sometime since I last serviced them. In 6 years with the current boat I have only had one winch issue and that was on the least used winch when a pawl got sticky. A tap with a light hammer freed it and a touch of whatever oil was in my little squirt bottle when I stripped it that evening and it was good to go again.

The only others I can think of are the few that are unlucky enough to have a turbo diesel, gotta use the right stuff, the other one and it is not so critical are the older diesels that do not like synthetics and some additives. But if it comes down to missing an oil change or using a modern oil in my 35 year old Japanese Perkins it gets the modern stuff.

BTW I am in part qualified as a Tribologist and do know my EP additives from my pour point depressants [ not needed where I sail ] ex spanner monkey with City and Guilds Full Technological Certificates and AMIMI.

A final thought before I go and achieve a little inner lubrication with a dark and stormy as I watch the sunset over the Tobago Cays, where do you store 5 gallon pails of lubricant on something that uses Barient 22s?:laugher
 

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Not for the winches, but for two other diesel motors, should have been more articulated to separate my thoughts... :) [insert picture of winch soaking in $200 bucket, me smoking a cigar in shorts]
I was explaining that I couldn't imagine somebody being satisfied with a generic lubricant, retail store style, as I research and research to become satisfied; this time a bucket was the smallest available unit for my two MB engines and Volvo-Penta. Also, I don't cruise great distances so don't have to purchase something because it's available, but wouldn't mind topping off with Delo or anything close to it. The X-200 SAE 20 I purchase comes in a minimum of 5-gallons, it's what's spec'd for the Volvo-Penta MD2 and many others and this stuff is really nice. The other 5-gallon unit I purchase is Moly-Bond 15w-40 for an OM602A in a 190D. The SWEPCO 306 was not pumping my lifters at idle and chose Schaeffer over Brad Penn, I DO wish Schaeffer had gallon units. I'll go through that 15w-40 in about a year, the SAE 20 in about two. None of this was fun to buy, but maybe I'm traumatized by seeing how fast people wear through their things and talk about "re-powering" or "failing smog" (California talk).
I'm still laughing at the thought of 5-gallons of "winch oil".
 

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Where (can you?) find objective results showing Schaeffer Moly-Bond 15w-40 is as good as, or any better than, any commercial synthetic motor oil?

How did Bob the Oil Guy miss them?

I've seen objective comparisons, lab results, and teardowns for other products. What's your objective basis for saying this isn't just...commodity grade oil?
 

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I have read elsewhere that Lewmar Winch Grease (100 grams $16.99 at WM or $14.99 at Defender) = Super Lube Synthetic Grease with PFTE (3 oz 85 gram tube $7.11 at Home Depot), and I believe is in fact the same tube.

NLGI grade 2 heavy-duty, multipurpose synthetic lubricant. Long lasting. Prevents rust and corrosion while reducing friction.
Temperature range from -40°F to +450°F
NSF rated H-1, approved for incidental food contact
Will not drip, run or evaporate, clean, non-toxic, non-staining
Impervious to salt water, safe in potable water

[EDIT] ANDERSEN Winch Grease (Net 75 grams $19.99 at Defender) = Super Lube, not Lewmar.
 

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Oddly enough Home Depot sells two Super Lube SKU's, one twice the price of the other, both apparently identical except for old/new packaging or some difference they don't list.

But the SuperLube is a 3 ounce tube, and the Lewmar grease is a 3.5 oz. tube. And, again oddly, Defender and West show two differently packaged Lewmar branded products.

Silicone grease doped with Teflon particles shouldn't be hard to do well though. I can't see that winches are an extreme service category. They work in a relatively benign environment, compared to some of the stuff out there. Narrow temperature range, fairly low speed and horsepower, no harsh chemicals, acids, oxidizers. They're not race car motors turning at 11,000 rpm and channeling a thousand horsepower.
 

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One of the better diesel oils for boats is delo 100 its formulated for constant rpm use diesels Delo 100 Motor Oil
High-performance crankcase oils recommended for use in farm machinery, construction equipment, marine, older two- and four-stroke diesel engines, and other off-highway applications where the SAE 30 or 40 grades are specified by the OEM. Diesel Engine Oils, Delo Heavy Duty Motor Oils - Chevron Lubricants
 

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I have read elsewhere that Lewmar Winch Grease (100 grams $16.99 at WM or $14.99 at Defender) = Super Lube Synthetic Grease with PFTE (3 oz 85 gram tube $7.11 at Home Depot), and I believe is in fact the same tube.
Right - but if you hang out in the right places they give the Lewmar grease away like candy. *grin*
 

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Right - but if you hang out in the right places they give the Lewmar grease away like candy. *grin*
Where are your hangouts?
Here in So Cal nothing is free and if it is there's always a hook.
 

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Right - but if you hang out in the right places they give the Lewmar grease away like candy. *grin*

I repack LOT of winches. A tube of Lewmar grease & the pawl oil lasts me YEARS. Most folks OVER GREASE.....

I do find the Lewmar grease gums less and lasts a long time. I have not bothered to try anything different because when the pawl sockets distorted out, on a customers boat, (apparently a defective casting) Lewmar asked what I had been using for grease and pawl oil and I sent them a photo of my Lewmar grease and pawl oil. A week later my customer had new pawls and gears at no charge... Yep I will stick with the Lewmar product and yes I have been handed free tubes of it a few times....

I also like Lewmar's grease tube and find the plastic thick enough to stand up in a tool bag without puncturing. This is something I can't say for the Superlube products. Ask me how I know......... MESS!!!!!:mad:
 

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Where are your hangouts?
I've gotten tubes of Lewmar grease free at boat shows after chatting up the folks in the Lewmar booth, at SSCA Gams, at an HR Rendezvous, and at a reception offered by a boat broker.

I repack LOT of winches. A tube of Lewmar grease & the pawl oil lasts me YEARS. Most folks OVER GREASE.....
I definitely agree. Too much grease just gums up and collects dirt. As the old Brylcream commercial said, "a little dab will do ya." *grin* The bearings and gears should glisten but you should not see any globs of grease. Pawls should shine but there should be no drips.
 

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I found the reference, and edited my above post.

For clarity, here is the original post from Cruiser's Forum;
I use SuperLube. I talked to the tech guy at Andersen winches and he confessed that it was the same thing they sell as their grease. I suspected as much as it looked the same. It is clear and doesn't get your hands all dirty which is an advantage. They say it doesn't absorb water but I am not convinced as I am getting some milky appearance when I service them. You can also buy it in those grease gun canisters and it is very cheap that way, just over $9 for 14 ounces. I posted the specs on my web site or you can google for them. Super Lube Synthetic Grease With PTFE Teflon 21030

Allen
Link Best Winch Grease ? - Page 2 - Cruisers & Sailing Forums

... and from a few posts later in the same thread;
Also, the Andersen tech support guy said to go ahead and use the Super Lube on the pawls that it doesn't harden up over time like regular winch grease and lasts longer than oil. I do that and have not had any problem but then again I didn't have any problem when I used oil, except spilling the oil all over the place.
... and finally from Allen's website (here);
I started using Super Lube at the recommendation of the local boat yard to lube my masthead sheave. When I got my Andersen Winches, the grease in the winch looked the same. In talking to Andersen, I find it is the same. Comparing the properties of the grease with other greases, I find it is a truly high quality grease with little aversion to salt water. It also doesn't get your hands dirty :)

Super Lube can be ordered at your local ACE hardware store for about $5.00 using ACE #08235310305

Super Lube Synthetic Grease With PTFE Teflon 21030 Is A Non-Toxic Dielectric Grease, A USDA Listed H1 Food Grade Lubricant, And A Patented Synthetic NLGI Grade 2 Heavy Duty Multi-Purpose Lubricant. Outlasts Conventional Greases 50-100% And Has Excellent Adhesion. 3 oz tube. NSF® Registered.

Super Lube Synthetic Grease With PTFE Teflon 21030

Super Lube Synthetic Grease With PTFE Teflon 21030, a Dielectric Grease, is a patented NLGI grade 2 heavy duty, multi-purpose lubricant in a 3 oz tube. Synthetic base fluids and the addition of PTFE micro powders combine to form a premium lubricant that provides long life protection against friction, wear, rust and corrosion. Machinery lasts longer, downtime is reduced, and productivity is increased. USDA listed food Grade Lubricant, rated H1 for incidental food contact. Will not run or drip, does not evaporate or form gummy deposits and will not dry out, melt or separate. Compatible with most other lubricants and outlasts conventional greases 50-100%.

Capacity Wt. 3 oz
Packing Type Tube
NLGI Grade 2
Color Translucent White
Temp. Range -45.0 deg.F [Min], 450.0 deg.F [Max]
Flash Point 428.00 deg.F
Specific Gravity 0.8500 [Min], 0.8900 [Max]
Chemical Compound Synthetic
Odor Mild
Physical Form Paste or Gel
Applicable Materials Wood, Rubber, Leather, Plastic, Fabric
Applications Multi-Purpose
Resistance Wear, Corrosive Process, Dirt, Dust, Saltwater, Water
Type Multi-Purpose Grease
Applications:

Automotive-

Disk Brake Quiet, Caliper Grease, Bearing Grease, Battery Protector, Linkages, Hinges & Locks, Dielectric Grease , Hubs, Axles, Chassis, Shocks,
Springs, Seat Regulators &Tracks, Fifth Wheels, Parts Lubricant, Assembly Grease

Marine-

Winches, Pulleys, Trailer & Buddy Bearings, Inboard/Outboard Drives, Winterizing, Snaps, Trailer Rollers & Casters, Dielectric Grease, Prop Shafts/Trim Tabs, Battery Protector, Corrosion Blocking, Electrical Equipment

Household-

Windows, Hinges, Garage Doors, Appliances, Locks, Shop Tools, Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Garden & Farm Equipment, Sewing Machines, Faucets, Pool Pumps

Recreational & Sporting-

Campers, Trailers, Mopeds, Bicycles, ATV's, Motorcycles, Snow Mobiles (prevents ice buildup), Go-Carts, RV's, Hunting Gear, Guns, Ski Bindings, Running Machines, Weight & Fitness Equipment, In-Line Skates, Skateboards

Industrial-

Plain & Anti-Friction Bearings, Ball & Roller Bearings, Wheel Bearings, Chassis Points, Fifth Wheels, Electric Motor Bearings, Disc Brake Assemblies, Freezers, Pumps, Blowers, Cams, Slides, Conveyors, Chains, Snow Removal Equipment, Paving Equipment, Water Pumps, Valves, Open Gears, Switch Assemblies, Radio Antenna Assemblies, Parking Meters, Gaming Machines, Cables, Ovens, Food Processing Equipment, Fans, Electronic Equipment, Deep Drawing Application
Benefits-

Clean, Non-toxic, Non-staining, Dielectric, USDA Rating H1, Will Not Drip, Run Or Evaporate, Impervious To Salt Water, Safe In Potable Water, Long Lasting, Prevents Rust & Corrosion While Reducing Friction, Compatible With Conventional Lubricants, Repels Dirt, Dust, Grit & Grime, Extends Machinery And Equipment Life, Reduces Maintenance While Saving Time & Money, Operating Temperature Range -45F to +450F, Reduces Friction & Wear, Will Not Stain Or Harm Wood, Rubber, Leather, Plastic, Fabrics & Paint.
I have Andersen winches on my boat (upgraded from 26 year old Barlows). I like that the Andersens are ALL Stainless Steel (no plastic, no plated bronze), and believe that the "Power Rib" is more than just marketing BS.
 

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I participate on several ASTM committees (engine coolants, lubes, fuels) and there is one thing I have learned for absolute certain; no 2 manufacturers will ever agree on what is needed, let alone what is best. It isn't as simple as one or 2 lab tests, or even dynamometer testing. What are the failures? what is causing them? What would solve that? Is the dynamometer test correct? Is a fleet test better? which machine/engine should be used? What conditions? What is best depends on the machine, the specific use experience, local conditions, and what are the greatest concerns. I doubt all of the engineers at any one manufacturer agree. So loosen up.

And the only way you will actually know what is better, even on a specific winch, is to lube port and starboard differently... and then hope the difference in weather exposure don't foul it. So last time I was lubing winches I did port with Lewmar and port with a common waterproof bearing grease. Two years later they seemed the same to me. I was just curious (both products were free--it wasn't a money thing).

As for few good motor oils... :laugher:laugher.
 
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