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I am replacing my standing rigging this winter. The rigging is from 1977 and is needed as 1 of them has half the wires broken where the wire was kinked at some point of its life before me. I need to do it myself to save cost and because of the setup. Originally they were connected to the mast with a nicopress fitting without a mechanical fitting. I also plan to replace the stainless steel turnbuckles as they are showing some wear. My question is should I buy the nicopress tool and sleeves or use wire rope clips. Seems to me that the only thing the nicopress has going for it is that it is easy, smooth and less likely to snag a sail or clothing passing by it. They also look more likely to fail, being a single connection instead of 3 wire rope clips installed properly. I was also thinking about adding sleeves on the wire rope made from the appropriate size pvc pipe and cap with a hole the size of the rope in the cap so it will slide down over the connections to limit the snag hazard. I think I am going in the right direction but wouldn't mind hearing some pros and cons to the different ways of making secure connections. Please keep in mind that I will be doing this myself regardless of what you say. I am also looking to keep this project as cost effective as possible. The boat is a 26 ft swing keel fractional rig. sailed exclusively on fresh water.
 

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nicopress is fine for boats up to around 32 feet or so

I love them and having a tool for nicopress is great for lifelines making topping lifts or whatever...

people think that only ss rigging is ok when there is nothing further from the tyruth

I also like double ended turnbuckles not studs...as that way if one wire fails or turnbuckles fails and you are on a voyage for example you can rig the good turnbuckle on the failed wire or shroud and then go down below and repair whatever you can with te broken turnbuckle

its also easier to do quick fixes since you just loop an eye and done

for small boats I would go as far as saying that 7/19 stainless wire and all nicopress is absolutely fine and in fact stock

alberg 30s came with nicopressed fittings some years...

you can double up nicopress too if you want it just looks a bit off...but nothing some nice leather wont cover up

jaja

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ps. my wire to rope halyards all use nicopress and Im a 36footer...it was standard for a LOT of boats
 
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Nicropress works on a boat the size of yours. Use the correct tool and use 2 sleeves for security. They will hold the full wire strength on 7 x 7 and 7 x 19 wire.

What do you mean by wire rope clips?
 

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the mechanical u bolts with 2 nuts I assume...used in galvanized and stainless industrial rigging...and boats too

Im ASSuming
 

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I rigged my schooner conversion with galvanized wire and nicopress fittings. I bought the tool used, at a great price. I bought a spool of good quality wire rope and found the fittings and eyes online.
On lower fittings, I coated the completed crimp with anhydrous lanoline, and then covered with electrical shrink tubing applied with a heat gun.
The galvanized wire is less expensive, and easy to work with. I haven't seen any corrosion. I have deer stands with galvanized wire supports that have been out in the weather for over 20 years with no rust. An oily rag rubbed over the wire once a year is good maintenance.

Be sure and match the wire strength to the original rigging.
 

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I made a vang with nicopress, using West Marine's crimper (in the store). It failed twice.

So I bought a tool like this :

Nicopress Installation Tool

and doubled up the swages - no more problems.

So I guess I'm just saying, make sure your crimper is good. The results will only be as good as IT is.
 

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yeaaaaaaaaaaaah good crimpers are EXPENSIVE...down here they are way out of my budget...but like most things tool wise...you get what you pay for

ps...I just bought a bolt cutter for my rigging...unless I sharpen the blades and or only use it on rubber...it will not be any use freeing a rig if the mast falls...
 

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yes wire rope clips are mechanical u bolts with 2 nuts. It just so happens that I already have stainless steel wire rope clips that I acquired at a very low cost from someone who owed me a favor. What I am considering is not using them and using nicopress fittings instead but only if they are much better than what I have. Keep in mind that I will need to go out and buy the tool along with the sleeves. I have been able to locate the 7x19 SS 3/16 wire rope for just under $100 plus shipping for a 200ft roll.
 

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good start...you guys have it made up north...just order online...can do anything you want! jajaja
 

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yes wire rope clips are mechanical u bolts with 2 nuts. It just so happens that I already have stainless steel wire rope clips that I acquired at a very low cost from someone who owed me a favor. What I am considering is not using them and using nicopress fittings instead but only if they are much better than what I have. Keep in mind that I will need to go out and buy the tool along with the sleeves. I have been able to locate the 7x19 SS 3/16 wire rope for just under $100 plus shipping for a 200ft roll.
Here is a link to a tool for crimping that will do up to 1/4" wire for $42.
SWAGE-IT - Swaging Tools and Sleeves
Well worth having at that price.

The tool Mark linked to will only do up to 1/8" wire and will not work for you.
 

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rope clips. We generally call them "bulldog clips" in the Colonies, probably the name of an original brand.

Without digging out the old books with tables for that kind of thing...they were used for emergency repairs but I suspect they are a weaker connection. There must be some reason why the entire rigging industry doesn't use them and cost and weakness often is it.
 

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rope clips. We generally call them "bulldog clips" in the Colonies, probably the name of an original brand.

Without digging out the old books with tables for that kind of thing...they were used for emergency repairs but I suspect they are a weaker connection. There must be some reason why the entire rigging industry doesn't use them and cost and weakness often is it.
I agree. I would not want to be thinking about how tight the nuts on them were at the top of the mast.:)
 

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unlike nicopress they do come LOSE you HAVE to use the tightest locthread available...but they are a great emergency rigging tool

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I've made up a few sets of rigging for Mini 12's using 1x19 ss wire and nicopress fittings, with a big crimper. Works great for something that lightly loaded. 1x19 is the "proper" wire to use in your rigging, but nicro press states not to use it as they can't guarantee the fittings will hold it. I wasn't concerned with the mini 12's, but I wouldn't dream of using nicopress for the standing rigging on my Ranger 28.

I used amazon to source my wire and fittings, I think everything was Loos brand and the price was awesome.
 
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