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El Chupa Nibre
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That site makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a grapefruit spoon.

It gets my vote for most worthless site on the internet.

and what's with the Netscape 1.0 look, and the excessive use of tiled 16-color GIFs?

and why are all the crappy images a link to the same crappy image?

and QUIT ******* UNDERLINING EVERYTHING. Can't tell what's a link and what's not.
 

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That site makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a grapefruit spoon.

It gets my vote for most worthless site on the internet.

and what's with the Netscape 1.0 look, and the excessive use of tiled 16-color GIFs?

and why are all the crappy images a link to the same crappy image?

and QUIT ******* UNDERLINING EVERYTHING. Can't tell what's a link and what's not.
Please feel free to gouge your self and self inflict injury to your self.

Most people I know can tell a hyperlink by using their mouse. The urls always show the hyper links on the status panel, non alcohol bar plus most have a title reading words ........ appearing as the mouse tavels.

Eat more green vegetables Bubsie

5,902,996 regular visitors since June 1, 2014

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That site makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a grapefruit spoon.

It gets my vote for most worthless site on the internet.

and what's with the Netscape 1.0 look, and the excessive use of tiled 16-color GIFs?

and why are all the crappy images a link to the same crappy image?

and QUIT ******* UNDERLINING EVERYTHING. Can't tell what's a link and what's not.
I tend to agree with Bubs, although I might have used somewhat different words.

It doesn't in any way meet current style expectations for websites. Spelling, grammar, punctuation, capitalization, HTML and word choice are ... creative.

Link lists have their place on the Internet but there must be a clearly apparent organization to help people find information of interest more readily than by Googling for it.

I rarely see the product of anyone with less sense of graphic arts than I have.

There are lots of good weather sites on the web. Yours has no added value either directly or by reference.

This one is great: Global Weather from the Weather Window | The Weather Window

These are the products I look at most often: AuspiciousWorks - Communications / Yacht Management / Deliveries Worldwide

Sailors on the U.S. East Coast and in the Caribbean need to be aware of this: Marine Weather Center - Bahamas & Caribbean Marine Weather Services

To be self-sufficient read Frank Singleton above and take one of Lee Chesneau's courses: Lee Chesneau's Marine Weather

Good luck with your efforts.
 

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LOL, analytics speak otherwise:

homepages.ihug.co.nz/~philclarke Site Overview

Congratulations. You have the 6 millionth most popular site on the internet.

Here's the deal. All your weather links are just links to the Accuweather site, why can't I just go there directly? And, If I'm using SSB or a satellite phone to access the internet, I sure as hell would be ten different kinds of pissed off while waiting for NINE MEGABYTES of worthless crap to load! Have you even looked at the source? There's over 10,000 lines of code, and most of it is pointless and redundant. I don't need to sift through repetative images of wine bottles or RV's popping up everywhere whilst attempting to retrieve useful information.

Also I see a lot of "this space available for advertising"...I'm surprised you don't have more takers on that, considering you have the self-proclaimed "#2 weather site" on the internet. (Which one is #1 BTW?)

In all reality, I'm sure you and all 2 of the other people who actually regularly visit your site enjoy it the way it is, but IMO you have exerted quite the effort in making your site extremely difficult to use.

Oh, and by the way, thanks for letting me know that your "links are free to use", with my support. :laugher :laugher :laugher :laugher :laugher
 

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LOL, analytics speak otherwise:

homepages.ihug.co.nz/~philclarke Site Overview

Congratulations. You have the 6 millionth most popular site on the internet.

Here's the deal. All your weather links are just links to the Accuweather site, why can't I just go there directly? And, If I'm using SSB or a satellite phone to access the internet, I sure as hell would be ten different kinds of pissed off while waiting for NINE MEGABYTES of worthless crap to load! Have you even looked at the source? There's over 10,000 lines of code, and most of it is pointless and redundant. I don't need to sift through repetative images of wine bottles or RV's popping up everywhere whilst attempting to retrieve useful information.

Also I see a lot of "this space available for advertising"...I'm surprised you don't have more takers on that, considering you have the self-proclaimed "#2 weather site" on the internet. (Which one is #1 BTW?)

In all reality, I'm sure you and all 2 of the other people who actually regularly visit your site enjoy it the way it is, but IMO you have exerted quite the effort in making your site extremely difficult to use.

Oh, and by the way, thanks for letting me know that your "links are free to use", with my support. :laugher :laugher :laugher :laugher :laugher
That's a no deal. Yes.

Advertising rates are at a premium because I don't want a lot on advertising. Have been criticised already for having to many.

Why would you use the wine link. Use the weather link. Yes

SSB You would use the Individual fax Schedule links.

Most Astute persons use the internet cafes to get the weather information before leaving port with hard copy and copy the fax schedules onto their computers as a file to get addition weather information via the SSB weather maps. There are two computer models for weather and it pays to get both for comparisons. Most met offices state their weather forecasts are only accurate 70% Sort the links urls for the relative sailing areas like Satellite images and the Isobar maps, strength, colour code 180 hrs storm surf significant wave height info urls relative the passage they intend to use before hand to save satellite connection time and charges.

Also there are a lot on land uses - farmers and holiday, mountain, trampers surfers, people that need to know the weather to do laundering, uses interested about the weather before tripping on their way.

Also a lot have fast loading systems to save costs. Yes.

The average time from my reports state time to connect to site is 29 seconds.

If you are happy with your local weather url and not a world cruiser fine.

My search states using google 95,400,00
https://www.google.com/search?q=critisized&gws_rd=ssl#q=world+wide+marine+data+info&start=30

also 58,900,000 1 page.

https://www.google.com/search?q=critisized&gws_rd=ssl#q=world+wide+marine+data+info+resource+

and 19 2000 000

https://www.google.com/search?q=critisized&gws_rd=ssl#q=world+wide+marine+weather+data+info+resource+

The experts state if you are not on the first three pages - google search pages - you don't getting many visitors as a high % uses don't advance further passed the 3rd page. Yes.

The site is designed to be comprehensive not just for a few specialised users.

Experience has taught me not to rely on a single source to 4 sources.

The more sources that show what the weather might be, the chances are the weather will be about 70% what the weather offices - services - predict.

510 views. Pm messages saying ignore the comments.

:) Cheers.
 

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SSB You would use the Individual fax Schedule links.
No. No one would use links of any kind over SSB. There are ways to recover text from links using the Saildocs mail responder but not graphics. Offshore people using SSB usually get weather information using weather fax. Some use gribs over e-mail through their SSB. Read the mailasail link I posted above and Google for rfax.pdf. There are also some voice weather transmissions in various places around the world, including in the South Pacific.

You are also ignoring Bub's point that your webpage is 9 MB in the first place. Huge.

Most Astute persons use the internet cafes to get the weather information before leaving port with hard copy and copy the fax schedules onto their computers as a file to get addition weather information via the SSB weather maps. There are two computer models for weather and it pays to get both for comparisons.
I certainly use the heck out of good Internet before I head offshore, but for crying out loud - the information is dated when you print it out and just gets worse with time. You have to be able to get good data offshore. The only information that I really count on for more than two or three days is about ocean currents.

There are many many more than two computer models. The spaghetti charts I use for cyclonic system tracking show eight model outputs and that isn't all of them.

Also a lot have fast loading systems to save costs. Yes.
No. Not unless the entire model for Internet provisioning works differently in NZ.

The website is pretty bad. If you really want to provide a resource for cruisers you should take a big step back and think about what our needs are and how best to meet them.
 

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No. No one would use links of any kind over SSB. There are ways to recover text from links using the Saildocs mail responder but not graphics. Offshore people using SSB usually get weather information using weather fax. Some use gribs over e-mail through their SSB. Read the mailasail link I posted above and Google for rfax.pdf. There are also some voice weather transmissions in various places around the world, including in the South Pacific.

You are also ignoring Bub's point that your webpage is 9 MB in the first place. Huge.

I certainly use the heck out of good Internet before I head offshore, but for crying out loud - the information is dated when you print it out and just gets worse with time. You have to be able to get good data offshore. The only information that I really count on for more than two or three days is about ocean currents.

There are many many more than two computer models. The spaghetti charts I use for cyclonic system tracking show eight model outputs and that isn't all of them.

No. Not unless the entire model for Internet provisioning works differently in NZ.

The website is pretty bad. If you really want to provide a resource for cruisers you should take a big step back and think about what our needs are and how best to meet them.
yes yes :Cruisers use the links on shore or by satellite as I said, to obtain the frequencies bands and the times either by hard copy or stored on their computers for reference purposes for SSB weather charts via SSB broadcasts.

Im not ignoring the 9 mb

Properties =

Protocol HyperText Transfer Protocol

Type HTML Document

Not Encrypted

Zone Internet | Protected Mode: On

URL World wide Marine all local world weather zones Marine wind kite and worldwide surfing data links site directory office cruise cuising guide guides data base resource links new zealand oceania global windfinder weather temperatures charts zone wind u

Size 686 374 bytes

There are many more than two computer models. The spaghetti charts I use for cyclonic system tracking show eight model outputs and that isn't all of them.

You missed the point I said two weather Computer models. Models you are talking about refer to a particular weather mode variations type information.
 

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yes yes :Cruisers use the links on shore or by satellite as I said, to obtain the frequencies bands and the times either by hard copy or stored on their computers for reference purposes for SSB weather charts via SSB broadcasts.

Im not ignoring the 9 mb

Properties =

Protocol HyperText Transfer Protocol

Type HTML Document

Not Encrypted

Zone Internet | Protected Mode: On

URL World wide Marine all local world weather zones Marine wind kite and worldwide surfing data links site directory office cruise cuising guide guides data base resource links new zealand oceania global windfinder weather temperatures charts zone wind u

Size 686 374 bytes

There are many more than two computer models. The spaghetti charts I use for cyclonic system tracking show eight model outputs and that isn't all of them.

You missed the point I said two weather Computer models. Models you are talking about refer to a particular weather mode variations type information.
No. No one would use links of any kind over SSB. There are ways to recover text from links using the Saildocs mail responder but not graphics. Offshore people using SSB usually get weather information using weather fax. Some use gribs over e-mail through their SSB. Read the mailasail link I posted above and Google for rfax.pdf. There are also some voice weather transmissions in various places around the world, including in the South Pacific.

You are also ignoring Bub's point that your webpage is 9 MB in the first place. Huge.

I certainly use the heck out of good Internet before I head offshore, but for crying out loud - the information is dated when you print it out and just gets worse with time. You have to be able to get good data offshore. The only information that I really count on for more than two or three days is about ocean currents.

There are many many more than two computer models. The spaghetti charts I use for cyclonic system tracking show eight model outputs and that isn't all of them.

No. Not unless the entire model for Internet provisioning works differently in NZ.

The website is pretty bad. If you really want to provide a resource for cruisers you should take a big step back and think about what our needs are and how best to meet them.
yes yes :Cruisers use the links on shore or by satellite as I said, to obtain the frequencies bands and the times either by hard copy or stored on their computers for reference purposes for SSB weather charts via SSB broadcasts.

Im not ignoring the 9 mb that figure is incorrect

Properties =

Protocol HyperText Transfer Protocol

Type HTML Document

Not Encrypted

Zone Internet | Protected Mode: On

Further more the memory stick that contains all my files, images , photos and all the web pages - plus other information has a capacity for 4 mb storage and only 7% storage capacity has been used on the flash memory stick for all that.

URL World wide Marine all local world weather zones Marine wind kite and worldwide surfing data links site directory office cruise cuising guide guides data base resource links new zealand oceania global windfinder weather temperatures charts zone wind u

Size 686 374 bytes

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"There are many more than two computer models. The spaghetti charts I use for cyclonic system tracking show eight model outputs and that isn't all of them".

You missed the point I said two weather Computer models. Models you are talking about refer to a particular weather model they have used and their computer models variations, type, information are different files or area - zones, which they call models. ie storm surf.com wave height model - surf height model and or significant sea height and wind velocity wave height model combined or significant surf height separately for each sub section or region world wide.

Most can't use their cell phones once you leave the range area provide by land based cell phone companies, accordingly a connection must be used via satellite which opens you to viruses to your computer - cell phone and tracking and open to all your information including voice words and position being recorded by the spy satellites and land base [spy 5 ] listening worldwide system the major powers use.

Your quote

"the information is dated when you print it out and just gets worse with time. You have to be able to get good data offshore. The only information that I really count on for more than two or three days is about ocean currents."

That's where obtaining previous animated information or information by hard copy or copied and store on a flash stick and scanned by numerous virus soft ware programmes and printed via a printer for reasonable projection tracks for a particular weather system with warnings and weather alterations via your e- mail or sailmail or equivalents for receiving hard copy notices that you can interpret in conjunction with the previous isobar maps or what ever, obtained via the SSB service or land based sources. You obvious have cruised further afield than your local sailing grounds.

Further more where does the first time world cruiser obtain all this information and determine what information is required.




Wish to discuss weather models suggest you start a thread with the appropriate heading.

Cheers and tables.
 

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The first link doesn't bring up your site. The second doesn't either, but it does bring up a link to this thread, which I suppose will bring traffic to your site. Your site does come up on the third link.

Why post the number of search results though? Those numbers aren't relevant to you, your site, number of visitors to your site, or anything related to that.

Look, if you really want to make a useful weather site, here's what I would suggest. A simple page with no images or bloated code so that it will load fast if one was connecting with a sat phone. On that page have a search box where one could enter their location, and the search results would come up with multiple links to weather in that area where the data was from different sources. That would be most useful!

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yes yes :Cruisers use the links on shore or by satellite as I said, to obtain the frequencies bands and the times either by hard copy or stored on their computers for reference purposes for SSB weather charts via SSB broadcasts.
That is NOT what you said. You said:

SSB You would use the Individual fax Schedule links.
Not going to happen. Not going to happen over sat phone either. Have you paid those bills? Have you sat there waiting for a big page to load? Unlike yours, the few pages real cruisers offshore might use are well organized sequences of short, quickly loaded pages.

I have not confirmed Bub's measurement of 9 MB but given load times on skinny pipes I think his number is reasonable. I certainly am not going to click on that link again. Perhaps your images are not on your memory stick and you are scraping them from other websites?

Your Quote

"There are many more than two computer models. The spaghetti charts I use for cyclonic system tracking show eight model outputs and that isn't all of them".

You missed the point I said two weather Computer models. Models you are talking about refer to a particular weather model they have used and their computer models variations, type, information are different files or area - zones, which they call models. ie storm surf.com wave height model - surf height model and or significant sea height and wind velocity wave height model combined or significant surf height separately for each sub section or region world wide.
You don't seem to understand what a computer weather model is. It has nothing to do with websites. It has to do with the separate computer routines that generate analyses and forecasts. There are way more than two.

Most can't use their cell phones once you leave the range area provide by land based cell phone companies, accordingly a connection must be used via satellite which opens you to viruses to your computer - cell phone and tracking and open to all your information including voice words and position being recorded by the spy satellites and land base [spy 5 ] listening worldwide system the major powers use.
What? Gibberish.

Of course cell coverage is limited by distance and cell tower antenna patterns. Did I say anything different? Satellite connections leave a lot to be desired. Viruses are no different over sat phones or cell phones than any other connection to the Internet.

It is becoming apparent that you know no more about computers and long-range communications than you know about weather.

Your quote

"the information is dated when you print it out and just gets worse with time. You have to be able to get good data offshore. The only information that I really count on for more than two or three days is about ocean currents."

That's where obtaining previous animated information or information by hard copy or copied and store on a flash stick and scanned by numerous virus soft ware programmes and printed via a printer for reasonable projection tracks for a particular weather system with warnings and weather alterations via your e- mail or sailmail or equivalents for receiving hard copy notices that you can interpret in conjunction with the previous isobar maps or what ever, obtained via the SSB service or land based sources. You obvious have cruised further afield than your local sailing grounds.
Your story seems to change.

What I said, and stand by, is that one should get the best available information before leaving shore. One should have the ability to get the best available information on board (which in most of the world is synoptics over weather fax; parts of the South Pacific gribs are all that are available which means more capability is required of the weather person aboard to infer fronts and other weather artifacts).

Further more where does the first time world cruiser obtain all this information and determine what information is required.
Not from your website. There is no value added there, and the signal to noise ratio is near zero.

Start with the mailasail website I posted earlier. For the South Pacific follow the NZ Met Service products.

I've had enough of this silliness. You have demonstrated no understanding of information systems, website design and implementation, or weather. Your posts on this thread are not worth the time or effort to read much less respond to.

I tried to give you some constructive feedback from a technical guy with a lot of offshore experience who is a weather geek. All you have done is dig yourself a deeper hole. Please don't sail offshore. You won't be safe.
 

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Look, if you really want to make a useful weather site, here's what I would suggest. A simple page with no images or bloated code so that it will load fast if one was connecting with a sat phone. On that page have a search box where one could enter their location, and the search results would come up with multiple links to weather in that area where the data was from different sources. That would be most useful!

Cheers
You just described Google. :laugher

Revised idea for piclarke's site: stop trying to push it as something that anyone needs or can find useful as it currently stands.
 
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The first link doesn't bring up your site. The second doesn't either, but it does bring up a link to this thread, which I suppose will bring traffic to your site. Your site does come up on the third link.

Why post the number of search results though? Those numbers aren't relevant to you, your site, number of visitors to your site, or anything related to that.

Look, if you really want to make a useful weather site, here's what I would suggest. A simple page with no images or bloated code so that it will load fast if one was connecting with a sat phone. On that page have a search box where one could enter their location, and the search results would come up with multiple links to weather in that area where the data was from different sources. That would be most useful!

Cheers
Disagree they both bring along to my site, home page.

I'm not promoting google and that is not the purpose for my site. It is to provide direct time saving links for the cruiser. You have obviously never used a internet cafe - South Pacific Islands. So imagine using google with approx 800,000 individual sites to 43 000 000 by sat phone.

https://www.google.co.nz/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=oRhUVPzSAc_C8geK0oCIBg&gws_rd=ssl#q=oceania+marine+weather+information++

You would miss the NZ metservice web site

For instance there connection times are super slow and there rates are expensive.

Plus the time starts when you click on internet explorer or fire fox icons which takes approximately 10 minutes to load and ever link after that.

Accordingly 10 Minutes to get either internet explorer or fire fox then another 10 mins if you want NZ Met Service then another 10 mins to get what ever link you want if you know what link to click if you are a first time user to that site.

My links take you directly to the link that I think is the most valuable with numerous separate links to the NZ met service and others with title descriptions in order to save costs and time. On one occasion cruising the Tonga Is using the northern Is cafe, I had time to go to the toilet, get a coffee and return, wait a couple on minutes and bingo internet explorer window arrived. Some 68 mins later I had a printed isobar map at approx $24 nz per hour rate.

My site Also provides links to the second weather computer model for comparisons.

Approx 12 months ago the NZ met service weather forecasts as a link where declined by the BBC which the the NZ met service for years have been trying to get accepted. Why I wonder.

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"Why post the number of search results though? Those numbers aren't relevant to you, your site,"

Explained previously. Shows how many individual weather sites there are and if they are a first time ocean cruisers they are going to have a large bill because $500 does not go far using a sat phone. Plus I doubt if they would enjoying spending $2000 per month learning.
 

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That is NOT what you said. You said:

I have not confirmed Bub's measurement of 9 MB but given load times on skinny pipes I think his number is reasonable. I certainly am not going to click on that link again. Perhaps your images are not on your memory stick and you are scraping them from other websites?
Your statement say's it all.

All your comments re my page are based on a incorrect statement.
Your quote" Perhaps your images are not on your memory stick"


Guess work again or an assumption take your pick.

The Images are on my flash memory stick plus all the other individual pages which are either .htm or .html with images plus all my other information as I do not have a computer. I solely use my memory stick for the site.

Obviously you also have not used the properties information factor to verify his statement figures which is a simply thing to do before bursting forth.

Why?

How's your mermaid hunting proceeding. :eek:
 
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