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Cal 29 beam rot

42K views 41 replies 19 participants last post by  Odlide  
#1 ·
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Wilkie's Sailboat Page

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I have not found one with out a beam issue and find myself close to buying one that needs the replacement

The one i am looking at has the same crack in the fiberglass liner from rust as Mariposa SO are your more luckey OR just not fixing it ?
 
#4 ·
Wilkie's Sailboat Page

Scary write up with scary photos as he does great work but gets a bit out of control

I have planed out a simple version that leaves the main bulkhead in PLACE :)

I will cut off the bolt tabs which are in front of the bulkhead and have the new beam fabed with them so it can slide in from the head area
 
#5 ·
When i was first looking at the boat i wanted to fully understand how the keel was done as i have run into other boats that had keel bolt issues

I found out that the icebox drain hose sits right on the beam ,the head area fiberglass liner has a hole for any water spilled in that area dumps right on the beam AND the mast wires run down and any leaks from them also puts water on it :(

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Thanks to Mariposa
 
#10 ·
Well

The fact that there are drawings on the net for Cal STEEL beam replacements in MANY models cal 40 etc and how much stainless cost back than its pretty much a sure thing there steel

All you have to do is look under the port cushions and the CAL 29 steel tabs are in plain sight

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CAL 30 beam

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CAL 40 beam
 
#12 ·
Hi, I just found this post after finding a great price on a 1975 Cal 29. After reading I'm a bit apprehensive about it. At least I know what to look for when I go see it. I can remember what buying things was like before the internet, a crap shoot. I am interested about TOMMAYS' "simple version."

Will you be photo documenting the repair? I know it is not as easy as it looks to take the photos as I never take photos of my repairs and I always intend to. Seems like this is also a lengthy repair and I imagine VERY expensive if you don't do it yourself. Any other comments and suggestion before I go look to help make my decision would be great! I'm wondering if the price is so low because of this problem...

Danny

 
#13 · (Edited)
I bought the boat from and older friend that could no care for it anymore for a price that reflected the beam needing replacement

My feeling is the beam can be changed by only doing demo in the head section THIS Cal 29 only had a porta-potty and NO sink so theirs not a lot of nice stuff that needs to removed


But its still a really big job and i think i will spend a YEAR working on the boat ,i enjoy this stuff and race on other peoples boats so i will still have plenty of sailing time.


back to the beam

1. you have to cut and remove the fiberglass liner in the head area

The big issue is the tabs are on the wrong side of the bulkhead to allow the beam to come out SO i am cutting the tabs and will have the new beam fabricated with them moved about 1" forward on the head side so the beam can slide back in without doing demo on the main bulkhead


When the reality of how this works out happens i will get back to you :)
 
#15 ·
I have talked to a few more victims of the beam :) AFTER starting mine and have found its pretty much a given on Cals of many sizes

You have to invade as the beam takes thousands of pounds of pressure to support the mast and rust really does a bad job


The beam was one of the EASY projects in repiaring the boat
 
#19 ·
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REALLY Invasive

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A whole lot less Invasive

I looked at every CAL rebuild on the net and as far as i know did the first beam change that left the main bulkhead in the boat ;

FWIW if the beam is rusted is the least of your cal problems ;)
 
#21 ·
Anyone interested, I fixed mine on the water, in a month, for around $500 total! I've got a photo-log of the whole thing. I didn't remove bulkheads, I did maintain beam to bulkhead connection (it should be duly noted and accommodated that the steel beam was intended for more than just holding the mast up--just filling in the vacant cavity with foam/fiberglass isn't enough) and, once it was back together, there wasn't a trace that I'd ripped her apart. Then I sailed it a thousand miles to Mexico. If you need some help/hope, hit me up for details. -Shipwreck
 
#24 ·
BEAM ME UP SHIPWRECK!!!

Sorry, I was out doing a charter... So, anyway, I'm a lot more boat-savvy than computer-savvy. I can email pictures--but I'm not sure how I put them on here... I'll try to be descriptive.

How I did it...

1. Beam removal:

A. To take the load off the compression post, I lowered the mast using the boom as cantilever--I'm sure you know the drill.

B. Then, I removed the sliding door, it's wooden slider from the floor, and the wooden starboard stow-space panel to allow full access to the fiberglass sole (My new boat didn't have a toilet installed, so no removal necessary there).

C. Using one of those handy-dandy Harbor Freight Oscillating Tools and a shop-vac I cut out the sole along lines that would be completely hidden when I re-installed the door slider-thingy (hmm is that the proper term?)--in other words, within an inch of the bulkhead.

D. Using a block and tackle rigged to the downed mast through the hatch I was able to break the sole free of it's polyester bond to the hull (it was only bonded in a few blobs). And there she was--that blasted beam--rusted through and through.

E. I opened up the port settee and cut-&-vac'ed enough of the sole away from the tabs to allow my handy-dandy Harbor Freights 3" grinder space to cut the steel without throwing any fiberglass dust about (I was living aboard as I was working and, obviously, could not stand fiberglass dust)

F. For the starboard tab, I used the oscillator to cut away just enough of the bulkhead to allow it to escape intact.

G. Then, out came the handy-dandy Harbor Freights 3" grinder. I cut off the central and port tabs and then cut the beam in half. At that point, removal wasn't much more of a challenge.

2. Beam replacement.

A. Instead of paying out the wazzooo for a custom made marine grade stainless steel beam, I decided to rely on time-tested, tried-and-true, old-(and new)-fashioned boat building methods... I only paid out the wazzooo for a bit of 1/4" marine grade stainless steel L-Bar and a few extended-lengthed tabs to be thru-bolted to it all, totalling under $200. (NOTE: One of the tabs was super-extended to account for the starboard bulkhead attachment being only lag-screwed, and, thus, requiring additional fastener points for added strength)

B. I traced the beam (minus all three tabs) onto two planks of Douglass Fir and cut them out. I cut them a little smaller in overall size to account/allow for the impending encasement in glass. In addition, I cut them 1/4" short (meaning from top to bottom--not side to side) to allow for the eventual addition of the L-Bar across the top. And, if for naught but a tribute to how things should have been, I cut a 1.5" arch out of the centers of their bottoms to allow for the inevitable icebox drainage to flow freely to the bilge.

C. I drilled them for bolting.

D. Then, I bolted the two together with counter-sunk heavy duty marine grade stainless steel bolts, sandwiching between them a laminate of mat, roving, and polyester resin (I'm still a big fan of polyester--yes, yes, I know Epoxy is better in every way [except price], but polyester has worked well in boat-building for decades and, well, as cool as titanium hammers are, I still use steel.)

E. I encased the entire beam--stainless bolts and all--in a heavy layer of glass matt & roving.

F. I then fitted the L-Bar to the top of the beam and drilled two holes in the central and port tabs, through the L-Bar and through the beam for eventual heavy-duty-marine-grade-stainless-steel bolt assembly.

G. I sealed all 4 holes in the beam with polyester resin and now had a completely water-proof beam complete L-Bar reinforcement and all but the starboard tab.

3. Fitting. (before preparing the starboard tab, which would now be on the forward side of the bulkhead, some fit-work was in order)

A. To account for some 40 years of compression and material memory and to reset to allow for another 40, I used a car-jack directly under the compression post to lift the sole, and thus the post, and thus the deck by around 1/3" or so. With the sole raised, I hammered a few sacrificial 2"-square chunks of cheap particle board underneath on both starboard and port sides to maintain the new height for fitting and installation (eventually, under compression and with exposure to excessive moisture they would crush and erode away)

B. I faired the hull from where the former beam had been semi-glassed in

C. Under the settee, I lag-screwed on fiberglassed 9"x9" plywood backing plates over where the previous tabs had been and sealed them with polyurethane (5200). Then I drilled for the new tabs

D. On the forward side of the starboard bulkhead, I also lag-screwed and 52'd a backing plate.

E. I masked the hull under where the beam would lay then bolted the new tabs in place and temporarily assembled the entire beam (tabs-to-L-Bar-to-beam) to check fit.

E. Using single strips of finishing cloth, I glassed the bottom of the beam to the masked hull so that, upon removal, I would have an accurate depiction of where my beam needed filled in with more glass for a snug fit.

F. I marked the starboard backing plate on the beam

G. Removing the beam and L-Bar, and using the thin finishing cloth markers, I filled in more glass for a snug fit

H. I cut a slice into the starboard side of the beam and L-Bar allowing for the third and final extra-large tab to slide in. Then I drilled through the beam, the tab, more beam, and the L-Bar for bolting.

I. I sealed the beam with polyester.

J. Then, I bolted the starboard tab in place--sandwiched within the beam and thru-bolted to the L-Bar.

4. Assembly/Reinstallation

A. From there, well, you can surely figure out the rest... Hammer the beam & L-Bar back in with a rubber mallet. Bolt them in place to the central and port-side tabs (thoroughly sealing all bolt-holes in the process, of course) and lag-screwing the starboard tab in place (mind you, here I did use epoxy to seal the screw-to-wood-bonds from corrosion).

B. Put the mast back up

C. Glass the floor back down (I waited 2 months for this, just so I could thoroughly check my work through some rough sailing before semi-permanently hiding it away from sight) again with Polyester (come on, nothing on a boat is final until you sell it or it sinks! Epoxy is wonderful and all, but it is not the answer to every question [and, while we're on the topic, neither is 5200!!!]--besides, that's how they glassed it down originally). Fair.

C. Reinstall all wood

D. Put in a head

Ta Da!

(It's 4:42AM... I gotta go to bed)

-Shipwreck
 
#26 ·
Hello, I know I’m late to the party here but I thought I’d post re the transverse beam. I have a 1972 Cal 29 and replaced the transverse beam last winter. Much of my beam could be removed with a shop vac. We made a mold and have created two beams now out of fiberglass. I would be happy to provide photos or converse with anyone who might be interested in more details.
 
#27 ·
Hello, I know I'm late to the party here but I thought I'd post re the transverse beam. I have a 1972 Cal 29 and replaced the transverse beam last winter. Much of my beam could be removed with a shop vac. We made a mold and have created two beams now out of fiberglass. I would be happy to provide photos or converse with anyone who might be interested in more details.
Photos would sure be welcome, sir. Thx
 
#28 ·
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