[tackorjibe]

EC,
Thank you for the information, yes I would hate to think about the cost involved with a cabin reconfiguration.
Do have any cost estimates on repowering?
Thanks,
Peter
Kiskedee #12

 

[Holthoefer]

Peter/Kiskedee,
my experience concerning costs might not be representative for the US, but maybe this is an interesting relation/comparison:
when I bought #K16 in 1990 I realized an oil leakage. I had one hydraulik pump and all the tubes renewed. Replacing of the whole hydraulik installation was round about the price for a new Perkins.
After this repair I faced the delight of three (3) times burst, when all of a sudden there was no stearing control at all.
2002 The new Perkins Sabre M 65 came into the new position below the companionway. The price was 2,5 X the engine. It was worth every single Euro.
Especially manoevering in narrow harbours is much more fun.
So don't waste your money for a half repair.
Regards Klaus/hull#k16, Baltic Sea

 

[Holthoefer]

Peter/Kiskedee,
my experience concerning costs might not be representative for the US, but maybe this is an interesting relation/comparison:
when I bought #K16 in 1990 I realized an oil leakage. I had one hydraulik pump and all the tubes renewed. Replacing of the whole hydraulik installation was round about the price for a new Perkins.
After this repair I faced the delight of three (3) times burst, when all of a sudden there was no stearing control at all.
2002 The new Perkins Sabre M 65 came into the new position below the companionway. The price was 2,5 X the engine. It was worth every single Euro.
Especially manoevering in narrow harbours is much more fun.
So don't waste your money for a half repair. Get a fixed cost estimate.
Regards Klaus/hull#k16, Baltic Sea

 

[tackorjibe]

Klaus,
Thank you for your insights.
I don't know the space required for a new modern engine but I’m still not clear how it could fit under the companion way, did you have to modify the forward ladder or the aft head bulkhead? I do not know if it is possible but some photos would be great.
Peter
Kiskedee, K-12

 

[Holthoefer]

Peter,
yes you have to modify the ladder and the bulkhead in the lower area below the mirror. The sliding door has to be shortened (if there is one).
All this modifications were realized on later hulls at least from 1983.
I could send photos if you give me your e-mail address.
The tanks have to be moved into the position of the old engine underneath the cockpit. Even the stern tube has to be moved a little bit.
Regards Klaus.

 

[tackorjibe]

Klaus,
Does not sound good.
My email is: tackorjibe@gmail.com
Thanks for all the information,
Peter

 

[paulfoulkes]

Information on F & C 44

Hello,

I am currently looking at a 1985 F&C 44.

Does anybody have information regarding problems areas?

I can only find one other F&C for sale here in Europe.

Any advice & information would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Paul

 

[echoffmanjr]

F&c 44

biggest problem area is the chainplates. The original carbon steel (not stainless) chainplates were glassed to the inside of the hull with a less than perfect glass job left air pockets that fill with water that seeps in through the deck opening. The old tired toe rails are not teak and could have rotted out and allowed water in as well. I own #19 and have repaired the hull and plates where necessary. Second boat done by Great Island Boat Yard, Harpswell Maine. If the repair is done properly, the hull is virtually brand new and ready for another thirty years and more.

 

[echoffmanjr]

Peter, Kiskedee #12, the estimate for a repower was $22, double the engine which we found to be conventional wisdom from many sources. With new hydraulics close to $30
EC
SKYE #19

EC,
Thank you for the information, yes I would hate to think about the cost involved with a cabin reconfiguration.
Do have any cost estimates on repowering?
Thanks,
Peter
Kiskedee #12[/QUOTE]

 

[Holthoefer]

Hello echoffmanjr,
I read your last post about chainplates and was alarmed. I never realized such problem on my boat (#16). What were the symptoms of this problem?
Did you have to repair all 4 areas? Was reconstruction done from outside or inside? I estimate it was horrible expensive , ones again.
Regards K. Holthoefer, #K16, Baltic Sea

 

[echoffmanjr]

Symptoms were disconfigured hull, looked like the fibrglass was bulging. Water meter showed varying degrees of intrusion. Years of rusting delaminated the fibreglass. reconstruction was largely done from the outside with some work done inside. Horrible is correct but a second home costs alot more, and this one moves.
ec.hoffmanjr@gmail.com for more

 

[BobScribner]

Re: Frers F&C 44

I am looking for Stability information for the F & C 44.
Need a copy of naval architects original information on this to satisfy a race committee.
Can you help?

 

[tackorjibe]

Re: Frers F&C 44

Hydraulic Transmission?

I have F&C 44 #12, and am having issues with the hydraulic transmission, apparently the directional control valve is bad and needs replacement or repair does anyone have any insight into this issue.

I know that moving the engine
And going to a direct drive system is the best solution, but that is not an option at this time.

Thanks,
Peter

 

[fiberglass jim]

Re: Frers F&C 44

To people interested in the F & C 44. I have restored 2 of these boats for major hull damage. The hull was blistering and bulging from delaminating fiberglass Most of this damage was caused by the toe rail leaking into the hull causing mst of the damage. My biggest concern was the chain plates that were comepletely rotted due to the water damage that i was amazed they didn't rip out of the side of the boat. I had to make new chain plates to install, i also had to peel the hull, and reglass the whole hull and fair it then I gave it a awlgrip paint job. This is just an abridge essay on all the work that went into this job. Feel free to contact me with any detailed questions concerning this boat since I spent 2 years of my life working on these. Jim

 

[evangeline44]

Re: Frers F&C 44

We must be mad!!
Just brought Evangeline K11 total rebuild coming up!

Does anyone know accurately how many were built in total?
How many owners on this site?

 

[evangeline44]

Re: Frers F&C 44

I would be interested to know where the rail leaks were worst - and how you repaired /replaced them.

 

[EvelynL]

F & c 44' ketch

Do you have any specifications or designs on this boat?? I have a contract out on one and would like to know more about this boat, and it's design... And issues...

Thanks...

Thomas
(Tomcat2010@ icloud . com)

 

[slowgoose]

Re: Frers F&C 44

F&C 44 - I own K-20 here in Stamford CT - does anyone know where I can get construction drawings? Specifically I am considering whether to repair or replace the rudder - for no other reason than it's 30+ years old. Does anyone know if the armatures in the rudder were built of stainless or mild steel?
Any knowledge would be appreciated. Many thanks,
Will Robinson

 

[evangeline44]

Re: Frers F&C 44

I emailed the Frers office about 2 years ago and they confirmed that the original drawings are with them on file-a copy would cost $100 PER SHEET!

I declined their offer.

The shaft is obviously SS so one would presume that the armature is too.
BUT you never can be too sure so how about drilling a couple of holes you could also check how wet the core is at the same time and not too much hassle to fill and fair - would be interested to hear what you discover.

 

[slowgoose]

Re: Frers F&C 44

Thank you - opening it up may well be the way to go - the more I can find out about the construction before opening her up, the less I may need to open up - I am waiting to hear back from Frers I'll be happy to share what I find out.
Thanks again.