SailNet Community banner
  • SailNet is a forum community dedicated to Sailing enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about sailing, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, repairs, reviews, maintenance, and more!
141 - 160 of 219 Posts
ref post #6
You sure are correct on the Camper & Nicholson. We bought our 58 after my cousin sailed his 58 twice around and loved it as a blue-water cruiser. He ran into several others on his way and a fleet of three crossed the S Pacific together. They made 12 to 16 in the trades on the crossing.
We discovered the "blister problem" in the first restoration season and put a new bottom on in year two. I hand ground several hundred thousand small gel coat pops and dug out 8 big blisters of dinner plate size. I should have just peeled it or had the sand blaster wipe it clean. Its a really nice boat with fantastic interior details. You have to appreciate the classic lines. Ours rode out GRACE years ago at sea. I have a copy of the article written in a sailing publication. The boat was RASCAL at the time and we have 'before and after photos' from the time. Easy to see the improvements made following that ride.
 
Can't resist throwing my oar into this discussion - getting your view point to add my new boat to your list. Our first year with the boat, I'll represent other Celestial 48 owners with far more "Blue Water" experience with the boat than I do. After a long look around, viewing many other blue water boats, consulting the Neale's list and recommendations, I bought the boat based on owner experience and my requirements for long term living and traveling.

The Celestial 48 (1986) - A relatively unknown cruiser to many, billed as a blue water cruiser, built in China, operated and designed by Americans. Many of the and its owners still crusing today with 1,000's of passage making miles. Ours is the Cutter config.

Follow the links for more info if your interested.
REBA Intro
Vessels: Sail Reviews: Celestial 48 Ketch | MadMariner.com
 
NO way is a Formosa 41 a decent offshore vessel!!!!!!!!!!!
It is a relic of a bygone error!(and yes, I meant 'error') See its not hard to use large bold letters instead of a detailed argument.

Seriously, without getting into their legendary poor quality building practices, boats like these were intended to be slightly updated versions of late 19th and early 20th century cruising boats. In converting the concept from wood to glass, these boats became even heavier than the boats that they were derived from. This triggered a whole range of compromises. To begin with, since most of the extra weight was in the hulls and interior appointments, it meant that there was a reduction in ballasting from what would have been the norm historically. This meant that they could not stand up to as large a sail plan as their historic precidents would have carried and so had very small sail plans for a boat of this displacement. The decision to go to bermuda rigs aggrevated this reduced ballast related reduction in sail area. The net result were boats that could not turn in decent average passage times. To me an important factor in picking an offshore cruising boat is that it capable of reasonable passage times, if not there is a tendancy to motor more and sail less, which for me is not exactly ideal voyaging under sail.

But these are very high drag boats with lots of wetted surface and lots of windage. They need a large amount of sail area to sail even in heavy conditions but because they are relatively tender compared to their drag, it is very hard to carry enough sail to make to weather in a blow. While some might argue this is acceptable on an offshore boat, I would suggest that even offshore boats encounter lee shores and from my point of view the inability to make to weather in a blow is very much a desirable quality for a boat going offshore. While I would agree that offshore boats do not have to offer a race boat's ability to sail well in all conditions, the compromises that these boats represent would eliminate them from any list of offshore capable boats that I personally would compile.

So while I would suggest that a Formosa 41 that someone had lovingly and knowledgably restored and upgraded might make a nice live aboard, I would suggest that if your primary goal for this boat is to go offshore,you consider one of the more up-to-date offshore designs such as a Valiant 40 or Kelly-Peterson 44's.

Respectfully,
Jeff
 
LOL, jeff, tell us how you really feel about the boat. I think this is the first time Jeff's ever used the big fonts... :D
 
Jeff.....whaaaaaaaaaa??????

Don't you know you are dissing Captain Ron's little sister boat. He sailed a Formosa doncha know!!! Captain Ron did doncha know?? The FORMOSA may be of old design but it rocks. Jeeze Jeff....you need to take a pill. Just imagine, around the world in a Formosa....just like Captain Ron! Argh!!!
 
turtleyoyager

i see nothing on the beneteau idylle 44 german frers,do you all not like these ? I love em ,have sailed many boats ,raised in the caribbean I think these boats are awesome and very well laid out,sturdy and just an all around great boat,there not on your list why not ?
 
Curmudgeon - I will sick zee on you - watch out =)
 
I would like to know about the souherlys and spirits.
Paul and Sherril, that couple that lives aboard for ages, making movies for cable tv and always moving around, crossing oceans, sold their heavy boat, and two years ago bought a new Southerly 42. I was curious about what they thought of their new boat and then saw it for sale. I thought that after all it was possible that the Southerlies didn't deserve all the good things that I have heard about them.:eek:

Then I saw that they had bought a new boat...a Southerly 49:D

Southerly

Regards

Paulo
 
I'm into details. I see that a Sabre 34 is on the list. Could one extend that to a Sabre 32 which is designed by the same team and built by the same manufacturer? Also there is a Sabre 34 Mk1 and Mk2. Does the list refer to one or both? The hull designs are substantially different.

By the way, I'm looking for an offshore, performance, shoal draft sailboat. Of course, getting those attributes in a single boat is certainly a tradeoff. I've kind of narrowed it down to the two boats referenced above. It will be moored in Puerto Rico with occasional 1 week trips to the Virgin Islands as well as a passage or two to and from the mainland US. My budget is <$50K. Comments anyone? Thanks
Pete
 
141 - 160 of 219 Posts